Israel's great dillema (Palestinian, enemy, death, boycott)
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That’s a lie. A lot of nations in this world would care no matter who gets nuked. You’re fantasizing.
The United States would damn sure care.
As an Israeli I'm telling you for sure that Israel will use nukes. We almost used it in 1973 when the syrians almost gained back the Golan and the Israeli contrattack in Sinai failed.
Israel's actual dilemma is that the Jewish citizens have a low birth rate and if trends continue they will eventually be a minority in their own country and when the Knesset is full of Arabs they can change the official status of the Jewish religion. It could cease to be a national homeland for Jews (not for the first time). Yes, they understand this and it worries them.
The occupation of the West Bank makes the situation riskier. Israel can not annex it with all of those Arab Christians and Muslims in place, because Israel's Euro-Jewish government would prefer not to make them citizens, so they need some way to get them to leave. They have had much more success driving out the Christians from the Holy Land, that group has had falling numbers for years, but the Muslims are not so easy to get rid of.
The other group in Israel with a high birth rate are the Haredim, or ultra Orthodox. Problem is that most of them don't have the education or skills that are needed in the high tech, high knowledge economy (the menfolk spend much of their time studying religious stuff), and many of them are exempt from military service too. Which bothers the rest of their more secular breathen --- yet they are also a important political constituency which will grow larger over time thanks to their high birth rate.
Would concur that Israel's biggest issues are more internal than external.
Last edited by silverkris; 02-10-2019 at 09:18 PM..
As an Israeli I'm telling you for sure that Israel will use nukes. We almost used it in 1973 when the syrians almost gained back the Golan and the Israeli contrattack in Sinai failed.
You're an Israeli citizen, who does not have any transparency into the true thought process of the Israel government. Saying you're an Israel does not give you any authority on this matter unless you're going to follow up and say you had X position in the Israeli government.
Using nukes is not Israel's decision since using nukes might provoke other countries to use their nukes. It's a destabilizing act that no one knows how it will end up. That's why your papa(USA) will keep your hands pressed to the table away from the nuclear trigger.
I would hope, in any case, in any country, that nukes are an absolute last resort.
So if they are a last resort, why would Isreal care about the political consequences? Any possible political consequences have got to be better than being taken over and killed. In that case, I would fully expect Israel to use them. At least I would hope so.
Israel's actual dilemma is that the Jewish citizens have a low birth rate and if trends continue they will eventually be a minority in their own country and when the Knesset is full of Arabs they can change the official status of the Jewish religion. It could cease to be a national homeland for Jews (not for the first time). Yes, they understand this and it worries them.
The occupation of the West Bank makes the situation riskier. Israel can not annex it with all of those Arab Christians and Muslims in place, because Israel's Euro-Jewish government would prefer not to make them citizens, so they need some way to get them to leave. They have had much more success driving out the Christians from the Holy Land, that group has had falling numbers for years, but the Muslims are not so easy to get rid of.
Birth rate wont be a problem. Most of the influential Jews are anway in America . I thought the land was just a status symbol. Much of their business is carried out outside of Israel.
And "every one loses a nuke war" is a farce. It was used once in a war and what happened next?? Japan could never recover to strike back and they became an ally infact to USA.
If there is no choice, Israel will use nukes and will take all ME and Europe with it.
There’s always a choice, and using nuclear weapons is one that Israel can’t and won’t make.
They aren’t gonna take Europe out. The ME either. You just don’t get it.
Israel should not force the United States’ hand in that way. The United States may love Israel, but they aren’t gonna choose Israel over Europe and the Arabs as long as oil remains an important commodity. Don’t test my theory and find out the hard way.
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Originally Posted by mash123
As an Israeli I'm telling you for sure that Israel will use nukes. We almost used it in 1973 when the syrians almost gained back the Golan and the Israeli contrattack in Sinai failed.
You’re fantasizing. The last WMD used in a war was in japan and it’s gonna remain that way. If a nuke is ever used again, it won’t be Israel doing it. It will not be allowed. There are more important considerations than Israel winning a war.
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Originally Posted by AnesthesiaMD
I would hope, in any case, in any country, that nukes are an absolute last resort.
So if they are a last resort, why would Isreal care about the political consequences? Any possible political consequences have got to be better than being taken over and killed. In that case, I would fully expect Israel to use them. At least I would hope so.
They’re a deterrent...not a resort in Israel’s case. The REAL nuclear powers can’t and won’t stand for it. They aren’t gonna ever let Israel destroy the concept of nuclear non proliferation which is what Israel would be doing by using a nuke. For nations like The United States, Britain and France, that’s more important than Israel’s existence.
You're an Israeli citizen, who does not have any transparency into the true thought process of the Israel government. Saying you're an Israel does not give you any authority on this matter unless you're going to follow up and say you had X position in the Israeli government.
Using nukes is not Israel's decision since using nukes might provoke other countries to use their nukes. It's a destabilizing act that no one knows how it will end up. That's why your papa(USA) will keep your hands pressed to the table away from the nuclear trigger.
It WOULD literally destroy nuclear non proliferation overnight. The United States, Britain and France simply can’t countenance that prospect.
And you’re right...it wouldn’t be Israel’s decision. Anyone thinking that it is is dreaming.
It WOULD literally destroy nuclear non proliferation overnight. The United States, Britain and France simply can’t countenance that prospect.
And you’re right...it wouldn’t be Israel’s decision. Anyone thinking that it is is dreaming.
You should study Israels History a bit....The Stern Gang, the Haganah, the Palmach. If it's down to the wire and Isreal's existence is in Jeopardy with no help from the US....The Jews have German built Dolphin class subs with US provided sub launch cruise missiles yea it won't be good...
As an Israeli I'm telling you for sure that Israel will use nukes. We almost used it in 1973 when the syrians almost gained back the Golan and the Israeli contrattack in Sinai failed.
Where would they direct a nuclear missile with a ground force attacking them.
Where would they direct a nuclear missile with a ground force attacking them.
What's a ground force going to do with no support from home?
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