SCOTUS unanimously agrees that 14th prohibition against excessive fines applies to State & Local Govt (attorney, dollars)
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The SCOTUS got this one right. These local yokels who make the big bucks from the citizens misery have got to be funded with TAXES....or, if the public wants the forces shaved down in size, do that.
But they have gone way too far...
The current laws and practices in some municipalities and states borders on the old practices of debtors’ prison
Some of these people are in jail longer because of their fees/fines/charges than for their crimes
So, what happens to all that property and cash law enforcement has taken in the past? Maybe those people should be made whole again, for something police NEVER had the right to do in the first place?
If they didn’t bring suit then they have no standing
There should have been a class action lawsuit for all people penalized unlawfully in same municipality—
Either a city/county/state—so they could file together against the enforcement practices of that particular LEO
You can’t be penalized in CA and sue in FL
But certainly all people in say one of the counties in East Texas where the local sheriffs have history of asset forfeiture against people they claim have cash from drug trafficking (because they are black, drive newer cars, and have cash on them—even if no drugs are found)...
Yes—it happens
They put people in jail and won’t allow bail—compliant judge—
So the people basically agree to forfeit their cash or pay a fine to get out of jail
Corrupt as hell—but this is East Texas...
He can’t because there aren’t any
No government can force a “Christian merchant” to make anything the company doesn’t want to...
They are trying to force them to make cakes celebrating ceremonies that are offensive to their religious beliefs and practices in Colorado, as you know very well. And other places as well. The fines for failing to capitulate and recant their religious beliefs are well into 6 figures and can and apparently have driven a number of Christian merchants out of business.
This ruling will be used to help force these states to recant their overtly anti-Christian practices.
They are trying to force them to make cakes celebrating ceremonies that are offensive to their religious beliefs and practices in Colorado, as you know very well. And other places as well. The fines for failing to capitulate and recant their religious beliefs are well into 6 figures and can and apparently have driven a number of Christian merchants out of business.
This ruling will be used to help force these states to recant their overtly anti-Christian practices.
Combine that ruling with this one and now we are starting to see some progress. But the anti-Christian Democrat left is not giving up and is already back trying to force Masterpiece Cakeshop to make more, albeit slightly different cakes that are also offensive to his religious beliefs and practices, and which he has also refused to make.
In the latest documented incident, transgender woman Autumn Scardina alleges that she called to order a birthday cake from Lakewood, Colorado’s Masterpiece Cakeshop and was welcomed up until she explained that the cake was being ordered to celebrate the anniversary of her transition. “The woman on the phone told me they do not make cakes celebrating gender changes,” Scardina alleged; she filed a discrimination complaint on June 26, 2017.
The state agency that received Scardina’s accusations last year ruled in June of this year that there was probable cause that Masterpiece Cakeshop discriminated against Scardina for being transgender. But attorneys representing Masterpiece Cakeshop bakery owner Jack Phillips filed a lawsuit on Tuesday against officials with the state Civil Rights Commission, the attorney general, and governor John Hickenlooper. The lawsuit claims that the recent decision by Colorado’s Civil Rights Division proves the state is “on a crusade to crush” Phillips because government officials “despise what he believes and how he practices his faith.”
The Colorado Civil Rights commission is also going after Philips again on the initial case that the SCOTUS hammered them on for demonstrating their anti-Christian bigotry to begin with. From the hard left Slate Magazine:
[quote=Spartacus713;54531448]Combine that ruling with this one and now we are starting to see some progress. But the anti-Christian Democrat left is not giving up and is already back trying to force Masterpiece Cakeshop to make more, albeit slightly different cakes that are also offensive to his religious beliefs and practices, and which he has also refused to make.
The Colorado Civil Rights commission is also going after Philips again on the initial case that the SCOTUS hammered them on for demonstrating their anti-Christian bigotry to begin with. From the hard left Slate Magazine: It’s Time for Colorado and the Masterpiece Cakeshop Owner to Reach a Deal
Here we go again, but this time with Kavanaugh in place of Kennedy to help write the opinions.[/QUOTE
The baker admits filing this second case to push the whole thing back to SCOTUS so that they will make a more "definitive ruling". But tell me this, why are you hijacking the thread over this?
The baker admits filing this second case to push the whole thing back to SCOTUS so that they will make a more "definitive ruling". But tell me this, why are you hijacking the thread over this?
The fines on these anti-Christian 'Civil rights' laws in states like Colorado and Oregon are well into six figures and are designed to try to severely harm Christian merchants. In fact, if they drive them into bankruptcy or out of business, the states that pass these bigoted laws clearly appear to think that is just great.
Suffice it to say, this ruling that you quoted in the OP will be used to revisit fines that have been levied against Christian merchants in these states and also very certainly against any efforts to levy any such excessive fines again in the future.
That seems pretty relevant to the topic of this thread to me.
It's about time, asset forfeiture has become a bottomless piggy bank for some law enforcement agencies
Poachers will love this. At least they had the threat of losing their weapons and vehicle by poaching. Now that the gloves are off, there is not much to fear from this activity.
Drug dealers and wall street crooks will celebrate, as they can keep all their profits after serving a couple years in jail.
In theory this should be welcome news, but the "bad guys" will have far more to celebrate from this ruling than law abiding citizens.
Poachers will love this. At least they had the threat of losing their weapons and vehicle by poaching. Now that the gloves are off, there is not much to fear from this activity.
Drug dealers and wall street crooks will celebrate, as they can keep all their profits after serving a couple years in jail.
In theory this should be welcome news, but the "bad guys" will have far more to celebrate from this ruling than law abiding citizens.
Wall Street crooks do not go to jail.
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