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Old 02-22-2019, 12:50 AM
 
Location: Tennessee
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"Hillary Clinton held meetings in early February with former Vice President Joe Biden and Minnesota Sen. Amy Klobuchar to talk about the 2020 presidential election, a source close to the 2016 Democratic presidential nominee tells CNN. The meetings happened at Clinton's home in Washington, DC, and focused on Biden and Klobuchar's possible 2020 bids."

https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/21/polit...ngs/index.html
This has always bothered me. It did with Romney and it did with McCain, too. Why would you seek campaign advice from former candidates who were two time losers? Their experience is in losing not winning. In this case above with Biden and Klobuchar, Bill Clinton and Barack Obama are still alive. Ask them for advice, not Hillary. They won.

And it's not just politicians. It's the people who ran their campaigns that the news media goes to. Why would you discuss campaign strategy/analysis on TV with the people who, for example, ran McCain's and Romney's campaigns? Or, Robby Mook, who ran H. Clinton's campaign (and who I will bet will be all over TV as we get closer to 2020)? What could they possibly offer? You should be interviewing Axelrod and Rove about campaign strategy, two guys who ran successful campaigns and are still alive.

If you were going for marriage counseling, would you go to and pay a marriage counselor whose clients have a 100% divorce rate?
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Old 02-22-2019, 03:26 AM
 
Location: Former land of plenty
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Vladimir Putin is a winner. Advice should be taken from him.
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Old 02-22-2019, 04:14 AM
 
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it depends on what the losers learned from their campaign analysis. you can learn from the losers as well as the winners.
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Old 02-22-2019, 04:18 AM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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Absolutely I would, to find out if they had ideas as to what went wrong. Sometimes you have to find out what doesn't work in order to figure out what does. Lose or not, Hillary has been through the election process with Bill and on her own a number of times. She may know why she lost, and why he won.

Unless, of course, there was a Russian wild card driving 2016. In that case, she may have winning advice of her own accord.
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Old 02-22-2019, 05:50 AM
 
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Absolutely I would, to find out if they had ideas as to what went wrong. Sometimes you have to find out what doesn't work in order to figure out what does.
And that pretty much applies across a lot of fields. I work in a somewhat emerging field. We have absolutely looked at failed projects in the field to figure out where they went wrong and how we can avoid those pitfalls.

I have often wondered how much effort has been duplicated in academia persuing deadends because there is no Journal of Things That Didn't Work. You only hear about the successes and thus there is limited ability to find out about approaches that others have tried but were unsuccessful.
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Old 02-22-2019, 06:03 AM
 
Location: Posting from my space yacht.
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Going to Hillary for "advice" may be the democrats version of kissing the papal ring, or like when Trump gave his 2016 speech to AIPAC. Letting the right people know you're on board, so to speak.
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Old 02-22-2019, 06:06 AM
 
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Hillary likes to think she is more important than she really is in the Democratic party and those possible candidates would like to get her endorsement even if it means listening to her blah blah blah ..
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Old 02-22-2019, 06:09 AM
 
Location: NC
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This has always bothered me. It did with Romney and it did with McCain, too. Why would you seek campaign advice from former candidates who were two time losers? Their experience is in losing not winning. In this case above with Biden and Klobuchar, Bill Clinton and Barack Obama are still alive. Ask them for advice, not Hillary. They won.

And it's not just politicians. It's the people who ran their campaigns that the news media goes to. Why would you discuss campaign strategy/analysis on TV with the people who, for example, ran McCain's and Romney's campaigns? Or, Robby Mook, who ran H. Clinton's campaign (and who I will bet will be all over TV as we get closer to 2020)? What could they possibly offer? You should be interviewing Axelrod and Rove about campaign strategy, two guys who ran successful campaigns and are still alive.

If you were going for marriage counseling, would you go to and pay a marriage counselor whose clients have a 100% divorce rate?

Maybe they were analyzing how she could have one 3 million more votes than Trump, and still lost, IN ORDER THAT it is not repeated.

Hillary made some huge mistakes. Huge enough that it cost her the election. If they are able to understand that, then next time might be different.

Anyone who has ever been successful knows that no matter the outcome, you ALWAYS do a post-mortum. Analyze what you did right so you can repeat it, analyze what you did wrong so you don't. Continuous improvement.

(My statement is very generic. Applies to any project or campaign, business or political, and does not lean to one party or another.)

It seems the OP is just trying to take a childish jab at HRC. Fair enough if you don't like her, but at least knock on something of substance. There is plenty of material to work with, this is not some of it.
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Old 02-22-2019, 06:12 AM
 
Location: Boston
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why would Hillary give good advice to a potential rival in the 2020 Presidential election
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Old 02-22-2019, 06:14 AM
 
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Why not? Winners rarely know what caused them to win. Losers have as much insight as anybody else.

IMO, the problem with people like Hillary, Trump and others is that they have been living in a protected bubble for so long, they have no idea what 's in the real world. All they know is what the people they talk to tell them. And what they read and see on tv.
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