Israel's great dillema (Iran, Palestinians, middle east, Israeli)
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First, Isreal cannot afford to lose one major war. If she would lose one it would be the end of Israel. So let's take a look at Israes northern border. There is Hezzbolah and they are real tough and dedicated. Then there are the Iranians and they are very tough and not afraid to die for their religion. There is also the Syrian army to consider. All those are experienced fighters from the Syrian civil war. On top of that is the Gaza front. So tiny Israel is going to have a real big war on her hands. The problem is that Israel might be forced to use nuclear weapons. But if Israel would use nukes the reaction around the world would be unpredictable. So it would be a big risk but one she might have to take. That's the problem through Israelis eye
First, Isreal cannot afford to lose one major war. If she would lose one it would be the end of Israel. So let's take a look at Israes northern border. There is Hezzbolah and they are real tough and dedicated. Then there are the Iranians and they are very tough and not afraid to die for their religion. There is also the Syrian army to consider. All those are experienced fighters from the Syrian civil war. On top of that is the Gaza front. So tiny Israel is going to have a real big war on her hands. The problem is that Israel might be forced to use nuclear weapons. But if Israel would use nukes the reaction around the world would be unpredictable. So it would be a big risk but one she might have to take. That's the problem through Israelis eye
Israel defeated Jordan, Egypt, Syria. I think they won’t let a bunch of terrorists get the better of them.
Israel is the most stable country in that region and they are surrounded by countries that wish to see them wiped off the map.
Israel knows they will always have the US as an ally.
Unless, of course, radical militant liberals take hold of the reigns.
Technically, the countries surrounding Israel would probably want to keep the land the country is currently sitting on, they just want to wipe out all the non-Muslims living on that land, but I get what you meant!
Israel is the most stable country in that region and they are surrounded by countries that wish to see them wiped off the map.
Israel knows they will always have the US as an ally.
Unless, of course, radical militant liberals take hold of the reigns.
Lots of nations are hated by their neighbors. Big deal. That doesn’t make a nation special. Israel’s stability is nice, but meaningless to us. The United States thrived before Israel was even a nation.
Being an ally of the United States can be tricky. We have stabbed allies in the back before. Ask the Kurds or the Vietnamese.
Besides, would you give your life to save Israel? I know damn well that I won’t.
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Originally Posted by T-310
Israel defeated Jordan, Egypt, Syria. I think they won’t let a bunch of terrorists get the better of them.
There are no terrorists in that theater. Everyone is an aggrieved combatant. The Arabs and Israelis laid out the ground rules decades ago. Everything goes. No quarter will be given on either side. Both sides will kill civilians just as quick as they’ll kill a combatant.
My bet is that the Israelis can hold off and defend their territory for the foreseeable future. But the Arabs will continue to put pressure on the walls that they’re locked behind. If the Palestinians don’t get their state at some point, the Israelis will have to kill them all (that option actually has advocates) or move them out of the region en masse. They can’t get away with doing that geopolitically speaking. The price to pay is too high in either case.
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Originally Posted by Angorlee
First, Isreal cannot afford to lose one major war. If she would lose one it would be the end of Israel. So let's take a look at Israes northern border. There is Hezzbolah and they are real tough and dedicated. Then there are the Iranians and they are very tough and not afraid to die for their religion. There is also the Syrian army to consider. All those are experienced fighters from the Syrian civil war. On top of that is the Gaza front. So tiny Israel is going to have a real big war on her hands. The problem is that Israel might be forced to use nuclear weapons. But if Israel would use nukes the reaction around the world would be unpredictable. So it would be a big risk but one she might have to take. That's the problem through Israelis eye
They can’t use nukes. Those things may as well be put in a landfill and forgotten. If they have to pull nukes out, it’s already too late.
Israel set up shop in a hostile region after violently ethnically cleansing it. So they’re forever doomed to be bedeviled by the consequences of that action. It’s not a dilemma...they signed up for it.
Lots of nations are hated by their neighbors. Big deal. That doesn’t make a nation special. Israel’s stability is nice, but meaningless to us. The United States thrived before Israel was even a nation.
Being an ally of the United States can be tricky. We have stabbed allies in the back before. Ask the Kurds or the Vietnamese.
Besides, would you give your life to save Israel? I know damn well that I won’t.
There are no terrorists in that theater. Everyone is an aggrieved combatant. The Arabs and Israelis laid out the ground rules decades ago. Everything goes. No quarter will be given on either side. Both sides will kill civilians just as quick as they’ll kill a combatant.
My bet is that the Israelis can hold off and defend their territory for the foreseeable future. But the Arabs will continue to put pressure on the walls that they’re locked behind. If the Palestinians don’t get their state at some point, the Israelis will have to kill them all (that option actually has advocates) or move them out of the region en masse. They can’t get away with doing that geopolitically speaking. The price to pay is too high in either case.
They can’t use nukes. Those things may as well be put in a landfill and forgotten. If they have to pull nukes out, it’s already too late.
Israel set up shop in a hostile region after violently ethnically cleansing it. So they’re forever doomed to be bedeviled by the consequences of that action. It’s not a dilemma...they signed up for it.
Interesting. In 1971 For about three months I was crew chief on the huey assigned to fly a colonel who was senior advisor for an arvn division in the IV corp. We flew his CinC missions. While waiting to leave one day he was talking to us about when he had attended A war college in France. He said it involved the Israelis,french,Germans,americans ETC. He said the Israelis usually won. When we asked why, he said they always did something that was not expected. One time they used nuclear weapons....even though they were not allowed in the "rules"...……...he said they did not believe in following "The rules"
Interesting. In 1971 For about three months I was crew chief on the huey assigned to fly a colonel who was senior advisor for an arvn division in the IV corp. We flew his CinC missions. While waiting to leave one day he was talking to us about when he had attended A war college in France. He said it involved the Israelis,french,Germans,americans ETC. He said the Israelis usually won. When we asked why, he said they always did something that was not expected. One time they used nuclear weapons....even though they were not allowed in the "rules"...……...he said they did not believe in following "The rules"
The Israelis simply can’t use nukes. People seem to think they can, but if they’re permitted to use nukes, they lose national credibility (which is everything to them) and they’ll put themselves in an untenable position. Now every Arab nation will seek AND GET nukes and will have carte blanche to use them in any provocation. The world can’t tolerate that. If they have to, they’ll economically cripple Israel in order to dissuade them from even thinking about it. The United States won’t be able to stop other nations from doing so either. The Europeans will put their foot all the way down on this issue even if it means alienating the United States. They can’t have it. It’s too close to their hemisphere to allow it.
On top of that, Israel would lose every half assed friend in the Middle East like Saudi Arabia and Turkey. Hezbollah would metastasize into something the Israelis would immediately regret and every Arab and Muslim nation would harbor large anti Israeli radicals that would plunge the region into an orgy of violence and unimaginable terror. Israelis wouldn’t be safe anywhere outside of Israel. All of their diplomats would be endangered, and American officials and diplomats would come similarly under the gun. The Saudis would impose oil supply cuts to hurt western nations (knowing that the United States would get blamed), airplane hijackings would become routine and Gulf shipping would come under attack.
Nah...the world won’t stand for it. Sure, Israel has a nuclear deterrent, and more power to them for having it. But they can’t afford to use it and take on pariah status. They’re simply too small of a nation to get away with it.
The Israelis simply can’t use nukes. People seem to think they can, but if they’re permitted to use nukes, they lose national credibility (which is everything to them) and they’ll put themselves in an untenable position. Now every Arab nation will seek AND GET nukes and will have carte blanche to use them in any provocation. The world can’t tolerate that. If they have to, they’ll economically cripple Israel in order to dissuade them from even thinking about it. The United States won’t be able to stop other nations from doing so either. The Europeans will put their foot all the way down on this issue even if it means alienating the United States. They can’t have it. It’s too close to their hemisphere to allow it.
On top of that, Israel would lose every half assed friend in the Middle East like Saudi Arabia and Turkey. Hezbollah would metastasize into something the Israelis would immediately regret and every Arab and Muslim nation would harbor large anti Israeli radicals that would plunge the region into an orgy of violence and unimaginable terror. Israelis wouldn’t be safe anywhere outside of Israel. All of their diplomats would be endangered, and American officials and diplomats would come similarly under the gun. The Saudis would impose oil supply cuts to hurt western nations (knowing that the United States would get blamed), airplane hijackings would become routine and Gulf shipping would come under attack.
Nah...the world won’t stand for it. Sure, Israel has a nuclear deterrent, and more power to them for having it. But they can’t afford to use it and take on pariah status. They’re simply too small of a nation to get away with it.
!971 was a long time ago and your points are probably correct. Things are constantly changing. There is one thing that I do not think has changed though. No one should underestimate the Israelis.
!971 was a long time ago and your points are probably correct. Things are constantly changing. There is one thing that I do not think has changed though. No one should underestimate the Israelis.
I’m not underestimating them whatsoever. Again, they have the nuclear deterrence. It’s there. But there’s no victory to be had in actually using it, and Israel can’t afford Pyrrhic victories. They’re too small for that. Their wins have to come at the most minimal cost imaginable.
What people tend to do is OVERestimate the Israelis and UNDERestimate the limits of power. Their longstanding acrimony with Iran is case and point. The Israelis would love nothing more than to hit Iran with everything they have, but they can’t because the price for doing so is simply too high, and they can’t afford it. That’s why they’ve been badgering the United States to do something about it, or at least give them guarantees of security if they do it themselves. We refuse to give it to them no matter how pro-Israel any president is. Why? Because we can’t afford it either. We’re boxed in and so is Israel, but they’re super boxed in. They can’t avoid Iranian retaliation because they’re too close, and that retaliation would be swift, brutal and thorough.
Israel is in an extremely difficult position. But that’s ok...they’re used to it.
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