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Dems are making an effort to abolish the electoral college and substitute with popular vote. Several bills are pending to be voted in a lot of states, take a look at the list:
Colorado is one of the states which is on his way to approve the bill (only thing that is still pending is the governor decision) and some of the other states can be considered purple/swing states like Nevada, New Hampshire and New Mexico. Can this have an impact on the 2020 election? I believe it won´t because from what i understood 270 electoral votes are needed for the popular vote compact to come into legal effect (at the moment 172). So, correct me if i´m wrong, unless enough states aproves this bills to get into 270 (highly unlikely to happen until 2020) if Trump for example wins New Mexico but loses the popular vote, even if they approve the bill, he will still win the state or at least it will be the new mexico republicans who will decide it because the national compact won´t be in effect right?
The National Compact won't be in effect until there are at least 270 EC votes tied to it. You are correct in that. Note, however, that there is a question over whether Congress needs to approve these actions as an interstate compact, which the Constitution requires per Article I, Section 10: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_compact (I am of the mindset that this is an interstate compact subject to Congressional approval under Article 1, Section 10).
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We are not a Democracy, we are a Constitutional Republic:
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Constitutional Republic:
A Constitutional Republic is a form of government where the head of state and other officials are elected as representatives of the people, representatives mandated to govern according to existing constitutional law. It is because of this mandate that the elected class in a Constitutional Republic is limited in their power over the citizenry. The United States of America was created as and intended to survive as a Constitutional Republic.
Our Constitutional Republic is separated into three separate but equal branches of government; the Executive, Legislative and Judicial, represented by the Presidency, Congress and the Courts. Because of this no branch has a rein on absolute power thus assuring that there will be checks and balances to the governmental system and protection for the rule of law.
Through the elected representation employed by our Constitutional Republic the influence of the majority is tempered by protections for individual rights as mandated by constitutional law. Our form of government is deliberate in its attempt to thwart majoritarianism, thereby protecting political dissent and individuals and minority groups from the "tyranny of the majority" by placing checks on the power of the majority of the population. The power of the majority of the people is checked by limiting that power to electing representatives who are required to legislate with limits of overarching constitutional law which a simple majority cannot modify.
"A pure unbridled democracy is a political system in which the majority enjoys absolute power by means of democratic elections. In an unvarnished democracy, unrestrained by a constitution, the majority can vote to impose tyranny on themselves and the minority opposition. They can vote to elect those who will infringe upon our inalienable God-given rights. Thomas Jefferson referred to this as elected despotism in Notes on the State of Virginia (also cited in Federalist 48 by Madison):"
I do think it's a good move to pass an amendment to move to a popular vote but obviously will never happen in my lifetime. That requires 2/3s of states to agree on something.
As far as I am understanding this correctly, it would require all of the 'compact' Dem states to vote for Republicans if the Rs win national vote, correct?
So in the case of Bush vs Kerry election, California would have gone for Bush? This might make sense, since there are a lot of Republicans in populous coastal states like CA and NY who simply do not vote currently, since their votes do not count.
Hint: Nominate someone less inhumanly awful than Hillary and run a better campaign.
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