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Why do we care if people want to abuse drugs to their own personal detriment? It's their life, their body and they own themselves
In present day America, in general, we do not care. Government is letting people have their marijuana because abusing pot is at worst as bad as alcoholism. The same cannot be said about narcotics, they have intense effects on users which go beyond personal detriment and flow out into society in the form of theft, vandalism, neglect, domestic abuse, blight and other effects on society which should absolutely be dealt with.
Just because 'users are going to use' does not mean we don't stop trying to stem the flow. You think the problem is bad now, you obviously have no idea how much worse it would get if crack or heroine were as easily accessible / cheap as a pack of gum at the corner store
People have been watching too many episodes of The Wire. Just because the drug war can't be won doesn't mean you don't fight it. Stop fighting and the effects will get much much worse
I agree with you 100%. This is the reason why I think libertarians have the best idea when it comes to "illegal" drugs.
Well................................. I actually agree with legalizing many illegal drugs as one would think that it would reduce crime.
However, open access to prescription opioids has created a public health crisis which costs not only the users money and lost days of activity/wages, but also costs the federal government billions of dollars in medical treatment used to treat the consequences of their drug use.
So if it only affected the users, that would be great. However, the rest of the population (tax payers) are forced to pay for the poor decisions of others.
I would fully support the recreational use of illegal drugs, however, all those users would have to sign agreements that they would be "no code" status, in which no emergency vehicles or medical care would be spent to treat their overdoses, ER and intensive care treatments, and rehab programs. Then, their actions would only affect themselves and not involve the rest of us, who are forced to pay for their desire to get a buzz.
In present day America, in general, we do not care. Government is letting people have their marijuana because abusing pot is at worst as bad as alcoholism. The same cannot be said about narcotics, they have intense effects on users which go beyond personal detriment and flow out into society in the form of theft, vandalism, neglect, domestic abuse, blight and other effects on society which should absolutely be dealt with.
Just because 'users are going to use' does not mean we don't stop trying to stem the flow. You think the problem is bad now, you obviously have no idea how much worse it would get if crack or heroine were as easily accessible / cheap as a pack of gum at the corner store
People have been watching too many episodes of The Wire. Just because the drug war can't be won doesn't mean you don't fight it. Stop fighting and the effects will get much much worse
that my friend is exactly what i talk about THESE are ALL effects of prohibition if you were able to actually think it through..THIS thinking is the issue
Do you think the entire national number of scripts dispensed in 2019 is going to be down 20%?
Of course it won't be. New opiates are being approved as we speak.
The amount of deaths and disease we will see from excess NSAID and other attempts to relieve pain will make CDC think twice.
Of course the numbers of prescriptions have gone down and will continue to go down, there is hardly a single doctor in my area that will even give out narcotic medicine anymore.
Pretty much the only ones who still do, are pain specialists and they are often the target of DEA raids, and get shut down all the time, even the ones who are not shut down, the rules patients have to abide by is so incredibly inconvenient, its difficult to remain a patient for long, they usually require weekly doctor visits, sometimes requiring weekly drug testing (to make sure they are taking the meds and not selling it), they also have random pill counts, where they call you and you have 24 hours to come in with your meds (again, so they can ensure you are taking them as directed).
Pain specialists discharge patients all the time for failing to follow the rules, ultimately its the DEA requiring these things.
Just because the drug war can't be won doesn't mean you don't fight it. Stop fighting and the effects will get much much worse
I agree with Elvis: You are absolutely wrong in that assumption. The War On Drugs is actually exasperating the problem, not helping to keep it in check.
Other countries in the western world have proven this; we're just too stuck-up as a country to actually Google it to see.
Well................................. I actually agree with legalizing many illegal drugs as one would think that it would reduce crime.
However, open access to prescription opioids has created a public health crisis which costs not only the users money and lost days of activity/wages, but also costs the federal government billions of dollars in medical treatment used to treat the consequences of their drug use.
So if it only affected the users, that would be great. However, the rest of the population (tax payers) are forced to pay for the poor decisions of others.
I would fully support the recreational use of illegal drugs, however, all those users would have to sign agreements that they would be "no code" status, in which no emergency vehicles or medical care would be spent to treat their overdoses, ER and intensive care treatments, and rehab programs. Then, their actions would only affect themselves and not involve the rest of us, who are forced to pay for their desire to get a buzz.
I understand your point and I respect your professional opinions and I agree with you to a certain degree.
I don't have all the answers and I understand the arguments from both sides. This is why I am saying we should treat individuals on a case-by-case basis.
I have tremendous respects towards medical professionals and they are saving lives everyday; they (you) are obviously the experts in this field and I am not denying that, but I think in severe case like this gal in op, she knows her pain (maybe I should say, she feels her pain) more than the doctors do, if certain drug is the only thing she has used to provide some kind of relief, then just giving it to her. This is my personal opinion.
I think there are still Difference Between Being Alive And Living: Your Life Should Be More Than Just Breathing. For people like this gal who is suffering from pain as strong as labor pain 24/7, I think cutting her meds off is unacceptable.
I have two uncles who are doctors, they have both said some patients lie about their meds, I understand all that, but we cannot treat everybody exactly the same. I think we should treat individuals on a case-by-case basis. By the way, I don't claim I have all the answers, this is just my own .02.
I agree with Elvis: You are absolutely wrong in that assumption. The War On Drugs ais actually exasperating the problem, not helping to keep it in check.
Other countries in the western world have proven this; we're just too stuck-up as a country to actually Google it to see.
And you think the lawmakers do not see this? Of course they do!!
They know the drug war is only making things worse!!
Have you noticed when the marijuana legalization issue comes up, its always the DEA that reminds people it is schedule 1 drug and that will not be changing....in reality, this should be coming from congress or senate, THEY are actually the lawmkers, DEA only enforces laws they create...in our world, its like the DEA is the one at the top, making all the calls on drugs. (they are just an agency, they cannot create laws on their own).
I agree with Elvis: You are absolutely wrong in that assumption. The War On Drugs is actually exasperating the problem, not helping to keep it in check.
Other countries in the western world have proven this; we're just too stuck-up as a country to actually Google it to see.
Ask yourself this, is an unemployed and chronically health-neglected / sick drug user going to have the means to carry health insurance. Who do you think is going to pay for the regular ER visits and surgeries for organ failures? Who is going to pay for the paramedics and ambulances?
When the drug user's neglected children flunk out of school and start using themselves, who is going to pay their lifelong food stamps and housing vouchers?
When a high and hallucinating user goes on a rampage and takes a baseball bat to a line of car mirrors/windows and mailboxes on a city block, should we all marvel at how wonderful our open drug policy is?
Yeah end the war on drugs, what could wrong. Nothing wrong with a free society of intense drug users
Ending the war on drugs will be a long battle, this is probably another topic.
The issue is: How do we treat woman in op. Do we stop giving her opinoid, or do we continue her treatment with Opioid? I don't think she is asking to stop the war on drugs, but it is ridiculous to treat patients who suffer from chronic unmanageable pain like they are all some kinds of drug addicts.
Yeah end the war on drugs, what could wrong. Nothing wrong with a free society of intense drug users
Regardless of all the points I deleted, you still come to the wrong conclusion: That ending The War On Drugs would result in a "free society of intense drug users". That is pure BUNK, and you won't even do the Googling I so subtlety suggested you do, because your mind is closed.
Ask yourself this: If all drugs were suddenly legal starting today, would you start taking them? Would your friends? Would your mother or father or brother or sister? What in the world makes you think society would suddenly start taking them as a whole?
Your logic is faulty, and your mind is too closed to even look at how well other approaches to this problem (besides War) is working quite well in other countries. Certainly much, much better than our War is working out for us here.
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