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Old 07-15-2020, 12:19 PM
 
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Don't forget all the ex "communist" countries were poor third world countries before the revolution, maybe except Russia (Russia was still poorer than western Europe).

If you compare the "communist" countries with all other developing countries, the former are much better on average now.
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Old 07-15-2020, 12:19 PM
 
Location: Florida
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YOU should do some research. Communism and the Nazis share collectivism as a value.

Hitler, in his own words: "The higher interests involved in the life of the whole...must set the limits and lay down the duties of the interests of the individual." - Hitler, speaking at Bueckeburg, October 7, 1933

Subjugation of the individual and individual rights to "benefit" the collective society. Collectivism. Left-wing.
There are people in pretty much every country who are willing to serve and sacrifice for their country and common good. To call such attitude 'collectivism' and 'left-wing' is fairly ignorant, because most would call it patriotism. And yes, Nazis demanded patriotism since their ideology was founded on nationalism. Later they also demanded military service.

I don't think you are advancing your agenda by equating patriotism with left-wing.
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Old 07-15-2020, 12:24 PM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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Originally Posted by Bettafish;58650655[B
]During the cultural revolution, people were NOT forced to marry anyone.
Sometimes there might be social/political pressures[/b], but it is a lie to say people were forced to marry in general.
In fact, some of my relatives got married in their late 30s
or early 40s in China, because when they were younger, there was cultural revolution and they were not in a good position to get married.
dude, I actually lived with the Chinese nanny for years. She was FORCED to marry a man she didn't love. That is what she said to my family.
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Old 07-15-2020, 12:26 PM
 
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Check the map, where the country Marx hailed from is.

THAT country doesn't have "millions of bourgeoisie" to slaughter to begin with.
Are you getting a clue now?
That is not to say that no one ever has been slaughtered in Europe, during the change of the social formation. French revolution comes to mind, but that was the "bourgeoisie revolution," paving way to capitalism.

Multiple socialist POLICIES were implemented in Western Europe with no bloodshed. It was a gradual transition, made with no violence or spilled blood.

Because that's what people with brains do - adjust the system according to nations needs, instead of raving and raging like damn lunatics.


Bourgeoisies are whoever the communists say they are. If the party says you are a bourgeoisie, you are a bourgeoisie regardless you are or not.

Read my question again. Name one socialist or communist policy that can be implemented without VIOLENCE or THREATS of VIOLENCE.

If you put a gun on my head and say “give me all your money,†I comply, and you let me go sans my money, that would be called a threat of violence. In your opinion, that’s called implementation without blood mashed.
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Old 07-15-2020, 12:26 PM
 
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dude, I actually lived with the Chinese nanny for years. She was FORCED to marry a man she didn't love. That is what she said to my family.
When people tell you a story, don't take everything as truth.
China does not have the culture to force people to get married. Some parents did that in old days but not in general. Mao actually advocated women rights.
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Old 07-15-2020, 12:29 PM
 
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There are people in pretty much every country who are willing to serve and sacrifice for their country and common good. To call such attitude 'collectivism' and 'left-wing' is fairly ignorant, because most would call it patriotism. And yes, Nazis demanded patriotism since their ideology was founded on nationalism. Later they also demanded military service.

I don't think you are advancing your agenda by equating patriotism with left-wing.
If the sacrifice is made voluntarily, it’s not collectivism.

Only such sacrifice is made at gunpoint, it is collectivism.
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Old 07-15-2020, 12:29 PM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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When people tell you a story, don't take everything as truth.
China does not have the culture to force people to get married. Some parents did that in old days but not in general. Mao actually advocated women rights.
Okay fair.

but she married a man she did not love. She said this is the only way she could move back to the city. She was born in Shanghai and was forced (for lack of a better word) to go to the village.

Her dad was a landlord at the time. The point is her family went through hell during Chinese cultural revolution. She lost her entire family.
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Old 07-15-2020, 12:33 PM
 
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When people tell you a story, don't take everything as truth.
China does not have the culture to force people to get married. Some parents did that in old days but not in general. Mao actually advocated women rights.


Good lord, the ignorance of the history!!!
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Old 07-15-2020, 12:39 PM
 
Location: NC
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If you have survived a communist regime, you would know what I mean.

My statement must not be construed to be an endorsement of Nazism. The point is that Nazism is evil, but communism is evil at another level.
Well, I grew up in a Jewish family. My teachers at the synagogue had numbers tatoo'd on their arms.

I think you and I could (possibly) have a constructive debate on which is the greater evil, Nazism or Communism, but would not grant either of them saint status. You say you don't endorse, but you stated that they (paraphrasing here) look good compared to something else. Sorry, I don't buy it, they don't look good in any light.

You might say that compared to being burned at the stake that you'd rather die by firing squad (arguably quicker and less traumatic), but I don't think you'd say that comparatively, dying by firing squad is to be celebrated, would you? Saint-hood (according to this Jewish guy, LOL) is something to be revered, exalted, so i don't see, in any form of contrast, how you elevate Nazism to that level.

Also, I think I said this before, but the tenants of Communism are not bad by nature, they are just wrong or misguided, or naive. What Stalin did is not necessarily a reflection of Communism, but Hitler was the architect of Nazism as we know it. What he did is EXACTLY what Nazism represents.

I assume you are not a fan of Obama. If that is correct, would you say that every policy he had translates to the true meaning and motivation of what it means to be American?
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Old 07-15-2020, 12:43 PM
 
Location: New York City
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Also, I think I said this before, but the tenants of Communism are not bad by nature, they are just wrong or misguided, or naive. What Stalin did is not necessarily a reflection of Communism, but Hitler was the architect of Nazism as we know it. What he did is EXACTLY what Nazism represents.
You are extremely misinformed. Communism is categorically hatred of the "privileged", if you do not fall in line you are subject to elimination or slave labor for the good of the collective. Stalin is absolutely what Communism is fundamentally about, Mao Zedong proved it, Fidel Castro proved it, Kim Jung Il proved it.

Nazisim was a form of collectivism which is Communist in nature (form a group identity, get rid of anyone outside that group)
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