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Old 05-04-2017, 04:36 AM
 
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Can someone explain? Both were created and taken to the extreme by evil psychotic people, both ended up being responsible with unfathomable amount of deaths, both promote a thoroughly disgusting ideology that will ultimately only lead to unimaginable amounts of suffering to those that embrace it, both deserve to go into the dustbin of history and never even uttered ever again, both have ultimately failed at everything they ever espoused.
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Old 05-04-2017, 06:48 AM
 
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The difference perhaps is that communism is an ideology with many different flavors from bad to worse - Stalinism and Khmer Rouge varieties being particularly bad of course. Because of that it's hard to label and pinpoint - the modern versions that are left in Vietnam and China, adapting mixed economies, are relatively benign. It does get condemned, but I guess it can be said that the concept, adapted by Karl Marx, had good intentions.

Nazism however is a specific political party, not an ideology in itself, and thus easier to pin down to one source - 1930s-1940s Germany, and one person - Hitler. It included a particularly nasty concept - racial superiority. It's hard to find any redeeming value in any of it's concepts.
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Old 05-04-2017, 06:53 AM
 
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Marxism was designed to bring about a better world with the wealth more evenly distributed and the aristocracy eliminated. In ideal terms it was going to be from each according to his means, to each according to his needs. It was a doctrine which had a lot more in common with the ideals of Christianity than may be claimed by capitalism. In practice it turned out to not work as Marx envisioned it, but that does not change the intent.

German fascism was a doctrine which held that the Germans were the planet's natural master race and thus entitled to murder or enslave all those who stood in the way of their global domination. It was to be a world run by the Aryans for the benefit and glorification of Aryans.

You are unable to distinguish between such doctrines?
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Old 05-04-2017, 07:53 AM
 
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Prppaganda, the URRS spent billions on propaganda, the west, zero.
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Old 05-04-2017, 08:09 AM
 
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prppaganda, the urrs spent billions on propaganda, the west, zero.

urrs ??????
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Old 05-04-2017, 08:18 AM
 
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Prppaganda, the URRS spent billions on propaganda, the west, zero.

BS. It's the contrary.The "URRS", known in English as the "USSR", had no propaganda ministry but the Anglo-Saxon culture spread almost worldwide. Here's a good example: why do some young people in Spain or Finland celebrate halloween, though it's neither a festivity in Catholic or Protestant culture? Because of Americans.


Do we celebrate the New Year on 6 January or whatever the russkie calendar celebrates it? No.
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Old 05-04-2017, 08:19 AM
 
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OP, you actually ever cared to read on the subject and come to your own conclusion? Or, you simply injecting popular argument based on available propaganda?
Why don't you study first, then come to an educated opinion?


https://www.marxists.org/archive/mar...1/prin-com.htm


Nazi ideology
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Old 05-04-2017, 09:19 AM
 
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Can someone explain? Both were created and taken to the extreme by evil psychotic people, both ended up being responsible with unfathomable amount of deaths, both promote a thoroughly disgusting ideology that will ultimately only lead to unimaginable amounts of suffering to those that embrace it, both deserve to go into the dustbin of history and never even uttered ever again, both have ultimately failed at everything they ever espoused.
It's primarily due to lack of education on what transpired in some cases. YMMV.

FWIW, my in-laws from Poland survived both invasions. They commented that as bad as it was to be taken over by Hitler's evil soldiers, the Russian (communist) occupation was far worse. The psychological warfare used to wipe out formerly 'free' aspects of society, stamp out religious and cultural practices, made life hellish in a different way, longer term.
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Old 05-04-2017, 09:28 AM
 
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It's primarily due to lack of education on what transpired in some cases. YMMV.

FWIW, my in-laws from Poland survived both invasions. They commented that as bad as it was to be taken over by Hitler's evil soldiers, the Russian (communist) occupation was far worse. The psychological warfare used to wipe out formerly 'free' aspects of society, stamp out religious and cultural practices, made life hellish in a different way, longer term.
I have heard the same from many Polish people.
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Old 05-04-2017, 09:42 AM
 
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BS. It's the contrary.The "URRS", known in English as the "USSR", had no propaganda ministry but the Anglo-Saxon culture spread almost worldwide. Here's a good example: why do some young people in Spain or Finland celebrate halloween, though it's neither a festivity in Catholic or Protestant culture? Because of Americans.


Do we celebrate the New Year on 6 January or whatever the russkie calendar celebrates it? No.



Americanism spread on its own, there need not be a sanctioned propaganda wing anywhere in the USA (not saying there isn't, but if/when and where it is, it's not necessary). As long as other societies are free to consume our goods and services, Americanism spread because of superior ideas, products, entertainment value, etc.


Not trying to stir up debate, just putting it out there. Many of my friends are from Mexico and guess what they do every Thanksgiving? They celebrate it in Mexico lol.
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