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In theory and stated mission, I won't argue with you. It is worth mentioning that Christianity and Judaism mention a sovereign God who gives man free will, and the basis of our liberties in western culture are based on that sovereign being... if God gives man free will, so should man give free will to other men.
Let me ask you a question right there - what kind of a "free will" a slave has vs his master?
Sure, even a slave has a choice - to accept his destiny or to run away, but wouldn't you agree his "free will" and "choices" are far more limited than those of his master?
Therefore it doesn't make sense to speak of "free will" for men indiscriminately, as if it's given to them all in equal manner, no matter what their origin, or place of origin are.
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As communism fleshed out, those tenants of the Torah and the Bible ran counter productive to the Communist Party and needed to be stamped out.
They were "counter-productive," because big part of Russian population was put "under yoke," speaking in biblical terms, or was basically enslaved. They didn't have "free will" or "free choice" - the one you are talking about. Or, better to say - it was greatly limited.
What you need to understand is that even in the Christendom not everyone enjoys the same privileges/freedoms; not in a sense of a country and not in a sense of a social status.
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Religion was stamped out in the Soviet Union, and possession of a Bible in modern day China is prohibited.
No it was not. The Russian Orthodox Church was dealt a severe blow shortly after the revolution, for a reason that it was not impartial, but always sided with the rich, however during the WWII, when Russians were going through the disaster of biblical proportion, Stalin opened the churches, letting people to turn to God. They stayed opened ever since. But you didn't know that, did you?
(I have no idea what it's like in China in this respect - sorry.)
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Sound familiar? It should because in Nazi Germany, the Jews were the first to be blamed for all of the world's ills and if they could just be done away with, Germans were promised paradise. The Christians would have likely been next, as Hitler saw them as a necessary evil that could be dealt with later. Luckily, the world never found out.
Jews were blamed for their cosmopolitanism, that was (supposedly) weakening the "master race."
Now when it comes to Christianity, Hitler simply didn't find it as convenient for his purposes as Islam - this much is true. He considered himself as a sort of a "new messiah," and "Gott mit uns" didn't go anywhere during the times of the Third Reich. So as long as German Church didn't fight Hitler, it was in no particular danger.
I think because one is inherently evil. Nazism. A regime that has within it's precepts the idea that some human beings are superior to others, and because of that they should be incarcerated, starved, tortured, and annihilated - can never be good or acceptable.
Communism does not need to involved these precepts, and totalitarianism is not a part of the ideology. Nor are gulags, kangaroo courts, or mass executions. There is nothing in Communism that stresses racial superiority.
However, as practiced by the likes of Stalin, it certainly was oppressive and evil.
Pure communism is a sharing of resources and government ownership of the means of production. While you may disagree vehemently with that idea, there is nothing inherently evil involved with that.
Communism most certainly is inherently evil. It destroys the souls of people, rots them to the core, crushes their creativity and destroys the human capacity to be innovative. It replaces motivation with dependency. It is one of the most evil experiments ever perpetrated on the human race.
Don't try to sugarcoat it, it's vile stuff and it's never okay.
Communism most certainly is inherently evil. It destroys the souls of people, rots them to the core, crushes their creativity and destroys the human capacity to be innovative.
You have forgotten to explain it to thousands of Russians who were working like workaholics at their factories, or their research labs for meager salaries, and often for free staying after hours.
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It replaces motivation with dependency.
It depends what you consider "motivation," and what you consider as "dependency."
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It is one of the most evil experiments ever perpetrated on the human race.
It wasn't perpetrated "on the human race" - it was "perpetrated" on a very limited number of countries.
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Don't try to sugarcoat it, it's vile stuff and it's never okay.
No it's not as "vile," as much as I hated it back then.
I definitely see its positive sides now, after long life in the capitalist society.
(Particularly being a woman. )
You have forgotten to explain it to thousands of Russians who were working like workaholics at their factories, or their research labs for meager salaries, and often for free staying after hours.
So that freeloaders, whose souls were destroyed by government dependency, could sit around and drink vodka. A double evil; stealing from the producers AND encouraging dependency.
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It depends what you consider "motivation," and what you consider as "dependency."
Motivation is knowing that you'll go hungry if you don't work and live your life in a responsible manner. Motivation is wanting and having the opportunity to do better than the status quo by working harder. Dependency is just that, being dependent on others to provide for you to the point where you are something less than you could have been. AKA the destruction of the soul. It's pure evil to suppress the human spirit.
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It wasn't perpetrated "on the human race" - it was "perpetrated" on a very limited number of countries.
They darn sure wanted to spread it around the globe. Every place it's ever touched has turned to crap at the very best. At its worst, it killed millions. That's all the evidence we need of evil.
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No it's not as "vile," as much as I hated it back then.
I definitely see its positive sides now, after long life in the capitalist society.
(Particularly being a woman. )
What can I say? "If you can make it in New York, you can make it anywhere", but not everybody can make it in New York. I see enormously successful women all around me. It's hard to imagine that they would have been able to achieve anything like what they have under a communist system.
Communism is slavery to the government. How anybody can think that it's not evil is beyond me. How is being enslaved by the government any less immoral than being enslaved by a private citizen?
It's primarily due to lack of education on what transpired in some cases. YMMV.
FWIW, my in-laws from Poland survived both invasions. They commented that as bad as it was to be taken over by Hitler's evil soldiers, the Russian (communist) occupation was far worse. The psychological warfare used to wipe out formerly 'free' aspects of society, stamp out religious and cultural practices, made life hellish in a different way, longer term.
So that freeloaders, whose souls were destroyed by government dependency, could sit around and drink vodka. A double evil; stealing from the producers AND encouraging dependency.
Motivation is knowing that you'll go hungry if you don't work and live your life in a responsible manner. Motivation is wanting and having the opportunity to do better than the status quo by working harder. Dependency is just that, being dependent on others to provide for you to the point where you are something less than you could have been. AKA the destruction of the soul. It's pure evil to suppress the human spirit.
They darn sure wanted to spread it around the globe. Every place it's ever touched has turned to crap at the very best. At its worst, it killed millions. That's all the evidence we need of evil.
What can I say? "If you can make it in New York, you can make it anywhere", but not everybody can make it in New York. I see enormously successful women all around me. It's hard to imagine that they would have been able to achieve anything like what they have under a communist system.
Communism is slavery to the government. How anybody can think that it's not evil is beyond me. How is being enslaved by the government any less immoral than being enslaved by a private citizen?
NOT working in the Soviet Union was a crime.
People who refused to be employed were sent to prison - there was an article for that in penal code I believe...
So Socialism in the USSR was actually much harsher on those who didn't work, unlike the capitalist societies, where people can live as rentier ( i.e. from the dividends/interest) without actually working)))
So if you were not aware of such basic things, you might not be aware of the whole plethora of other things out there)))
That's why their planned economy floundered.
You can have 10 people to place a light bulb or assign technically strategic technical jobs based on your political background.
Etc.
Al comrade Lenin said before dying...."communism does not work".
Yeah, but would anyone disagree that if one were to go back in time and kill Karl Marx, Lenin, Stalin and Hitler all as babies it wouldn't have been a good thing?
Lenin, even though another mass killer, at least recognized that communism did not work. He restored banks, the stock and when he was in this process of revisionism, he died.....natural death?...perhaps, according to bolsheviks he sufferef 1236 aneurisms in his brain....who knows...then came Koba, the Georgian mass killer and wrecked the country..not bad for a seminarist.
People are just uneducated here , or something .
Back home in Texas they interviewed a neighbor of a Chiropractic school caught improperly disposing of medical waste improperly in a field behind the school and the news reporter asked him why he thought they would do this.
He answered : BECAUSE THEY ARE COMMUNISTS !!! JUST COMMUNISTS !!! (Pronounced Com-nists of course )
How in the world would/could he get communists out of THAT
I lived in a socialist country and those were the best years of my life .It was slower than America yes but they cared .
I also see people on this thread confusing communism with socialism .
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