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Old 05-07-2017, 09:23 PM
 
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Nazis believed they were building a better world too, a 1000yr reich.

Communism and nazi both have the same results because they both played God.



"Playing God" - that's much more about Hitler, who played a role of the "new messiah." In fact even his racial theories take root in the Bible. Communists didn't "play" anything. They simply abolished god all together)))


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Communism is despised by freedom loving people, except communist sympathizers who are too stupid to recognize the obvious, that it cannot work. Did not work and never will.

"Freedom" is a relative word.
If the society is not controlled by ideology, it's controlled by money))))

Only very err... unwise people can't recognize the obvious)))
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Old 05-07-2017, 11:05 PM
 
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When you have to outlaw religion in order to make Communism survive ,something is wrong.


Even China today, allows very little freedom of worship/religion.
Yes, what WAS wrong - the whole situation with the Russian Orthodox Church, that was deeply integrated into the autocratic state enjoying official status, and which amassed great riches and power.
This was a significant factor that contributed to the Bolshevik attitude to religion and the steps they took to control it.[1]

You can read more about it here
Once they broke the power of ROC, religion per se was allowed to coexist with "Communism."
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Old 05-08-2017, 06:46 AM
 
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It was required to hate Nazism until August 23, 1939. From then until June 22, 1941 hating Nazism was prohibited. Since June 22, 1941 hating it has been mandatory again.

It has never been permitted to hate communism and those who do will pay for it.
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Old 05-08-2017, 08:34 AM
 
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Other than that, I have to note that during Soviet times Poles were actually enjoying more freedoms than Russians; their private sector wasn't completely destroyed as in Russia, and they had more access to Western clothing and Western goods than "Russia proper" from what I remember.
Private sector? Access to material goods meant diddly squat to Poles who had Russian soldiers defecating on their religious houses of worship and force teaching a foreign language to their children.
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Old 05-08-2017, 08:55 AM
 
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Nazis believed they were building a better world too, a 1000yr reich.

Communism and nazi both have the same results because they both played God.

Communism is despised by freedom loving people, except communist sympathizers who are too stupid to recognize the obvious, that it cannot work. Did not work and never will.
The difference is that the 1000 Year Reich's starting point was the death of foreigners and what made it utopian was racial purity. Communism sought to create an impossible utopia. Both resulted in lots of deaths but the deaths were the goal of the Nazis, and incidental to the goal of the Communists. I can't say though that Georgian dislike of Ukrainians wasn't a part of the Holodomer since many massacres, including September 11 are tribal rather than ideological in origin.
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Old 05-08-2017, 09:42 AM
 
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Private sector? Access to material goods meant diddly squat to Poles
Oh but it DID matter to the US economic advisers and Baltzerowicz that private sector was not completely destroyed, came the time of economic reforms.


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who had Russian soldiers defecating on their religious houses of worship and force teaching a foreign language to their children.
Are you saying Polish children were prohibited from speaking ( and being taught in schools) in Polish language?
They might of course were more interested in learning English as foreign language instead, but too bad Russians didn't forget either Polish-Soviet war or the Polish concentration camps.
As I've said - Poland represented danger for Russian state for a couple of reasons, and that's why Russians preferred to keep it subdued.
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Old 05-08-2017, 09:52 AM
 
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Oh but it DID matter to the US economic advisers and Baltzerowicz that private sector was not completely destroyed, came the time of economic reforms.




Are you saying Polish children were prohibited from speaking ( and being taught in schools) in Polish language?
They might of course were more interested in learning English as foreign language instead, but too bad Russians didn't forget either Polish-Soviet war or the Polish concentration camps.
As I've said - Poland represented danger for Russian state for a couple of reasons, and that's why Russians preferred to keep it subdued.
It also appeared Hungary ......."represented a threat "

Read about the Hungary uprising of 1956 and how Soviet tanks moved in and crushed it.
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Old 05-08-2017, 09:55 AM
 
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It also appeared Hungary ......."represented a threat "

Read about the Hungary uprising of 1956 and how Soviet tanks moved in and crushed it.
The rest of the countries that went under Soviet thumb ( or boot better to say) after the WWII, sided initially with Hitler - did they not?
So there was price to pay.

P.S. Look closer at the faces of the onlookers by the way - this is Budapest)))

http://haygenealogy.com/nagy/images/holocaust-1.jpg
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Old 05-08-2017, 10:12 AM
 
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The rest of the countries that went under Soviet thumb ( or boot better to say) after the WWII, sided initially with Hitler - did they not?
So there was price to pay.

P.S. Look closer at the faces of the onlookers by the way - this is Budapest)))

http://haygenealogy.com/nagy/images/holocaust-1.jpg

Czechia were wiped off the map, Bulgaria refused to join the war against the Soviets, and Hungary didn't hand over a single Jew under Horthy, but only when the nazis overthrew him.


Nobody - country or individual - deserved to fall under the yoke of Soviet Russia.
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Old 05-08-2017, 10:17 AM
 
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Czechia were wiped off the map, Bulgaria refused to join the war against the Soviets, and Hungary didn't hand over a single Jew under Horthy, but only when the nazis overthrew him.


Nobody - country or individual - deserved to fall under the yoke of Soviet Russia.
Ariete, apparently it was not YOUR or mine decision; it was the decision of the big guy above.
He is the one who ultimately decides who deserves what.
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