Why is Communism not as hated/viewed as evil as Nazism?

[erasure]

Originally Posted by Maruan

I think this topic is open for discussion, thus I decided to insert video from YouTube (that summarized major ideas)just not to overload the forum with text. You are free to insert what you want.

Right, you are free to insert whatever you want, and I am free to criticize your insertions, since "this topic is open for discussion."
Now don't overload me ( and forum) with text please)))

[karstic]

Originally Posted by erasure

Then why are you posting a one-sided piece of propaganda as an "answer" to this thread?
Next time try harder to get that "information" you are talking about.

Yes, he should read more Pravda and Izvestia, very good sources of information..


But nowdays freedom of expression also lacks in Russia...I know.....because fascists want to destroy Rodina and slave Russian children and have them bitten by ferocious roaches..bla.

[Corerius]

"Why is Communism not as hated/viewed as evil as Nazism?"

Good branding strategy, although the uniforms aren't as snappy.

[Ian_Lee]

Originally Posted by artillery77

So the Chinese CP comes to power in '49. Their first action....the wonderous Great Leap Forward where they were able to round up dissidents by the millions, draft them into a military and send them marching, several unarmed, into the machine guns of the Korean conflict in the 50's.

Those remaining lost their land and assets. To this day, nobody owns land in China. The agricultural areas were to build heavy industry and millions began starving. China's economy fell into despair as the Communists wasted the nation's resources on pipe dreams.

Actually the Great Leap Forward didn't start until 1958-59 when Mao was really high and wanted to quicken China'ss pace into a really Communist paradise by collectivization, i.e. every household liquidated their kitchens, confiscated their woks to melt iron and try to "Surpass UK and in par with US". And in 1962 it was a complete disaster which forced Mao to give up his leadership position that paved the way for Cultural Revolution.

The Great Leap Forward was preceded by the notorious Hundred Flowers Blossom Campaign in 1957 which Mao asked everybody to speak up against the government. Many naive intellectuals, even including CCP members, were so naive to believe and spoke up to criticize. Afterwards Mao said it was a trap. Many famous people, even including former Prime Minister Zhu Rongji, were sent to labor camp.

One of the reasons I guess why Mao intervened in the Korean War is that he emulated what Kublic Khan did. When Kublic Khan attacked Japan, he didn't send his Mongol soldiers as vanguards. Instead he sent the surrendered Koryo (Korean) and Song (Chinese) soldiers to the front.

During the Chinese civil war, KMT collapsed faster than everybody anticipated -- including Mao, Chiang and US. By 1950, there were over one million KMT POWs and then turned PLA soldiers (Chiang just fled with 200,000 soldiers to Taiwan). Did Mao trust them? I guess not. So the best way was to "expend" them in Korea.

Then these former KMT soldiers became PVA. But common sense. After engaging in fighting for 12 years (8 years against Japanese and 4 years Civil War) , who would be still interested to "volunteer" to fight on foreign land?

So they were expended by Mao in Korea. When the armistice was signed in 1953, most of these PVA POWs held by UN forces chose to be repatriated to Taiwan instead of China. Why? Because they were actually ex-KMT soldiers.

Of course, Mao had suffered collateral damage. He sent his oldest son not to the front but to the rear in Korea. Somehow Mao Jr was killed by the US bomber.

[Clarallel]

Originally Posted by Debnor

Can someone explain? Both were created and taken to the extreme by evil psychotic people, both ended up being responsible with unfathomable amount of deaths, both promote a thoroughly disgusting ideology that will ultimately only lead to unimaginable amounts of suffering to those that embrace it, both deserve to go into the dustbin of history and never even uttered ever again, both have ultimately failed at everything they ever espoused.

Maybe I shouldn't step into a discussion where everyone will be more expert than I am, but it seems to me that you're starting with three mistakes ideas.

First, it seems silly to me to advocate discrediting something in its entirety because it's been taken it down a bad path. That would be like shutting down car manufacture due to accidents. Indeed, America hasn't even been able to ban guns, despite the murder rate, or cigarettes, despite their being termed the only product which when used properly leads to death.

Second, from what little I understand about the basic idea of communism, there's nothing "disgusting" about it. It's a basically philosophy dependent on sharing via communal ownership, as opposed to selfish greed.

Third, there's something deeply disturbing about advocating that an idea, even an discredited one, should be banned from the general pool of human knowledge.

[artillery77]

Originally Posted by erasure

1. How's that capitalism working out in China?
2. No more "corruption sponsored by the state," huh?
3. Before you'll start regurgitate the usual cliches, use your brains for once.
It's not "communism" per se.
It's certain traits of the nations UNDER Communism and Capitalism alike.
4. Ever wondered why China is the "most populous nation?" And why not your own?
Obviously every nation's "mechanism," what makes them tick is different. And so are their shortcomings, be that under Communism, Capitalism, or what's not.

1. You must be kidding right? Since going to market reforms and capitalism style economies, China has had some of the fastest growth the world has ever seen as it races forward once freed of its communist/socialist bondage.

2. Oh the Communists at the top are still there to steal the largresse for their own benefit...because it's a Communist country and they can't be voted out. After deciding the "mayor" of Shanghai had too much self dealing, they had him put to death. Half the loans given to companies from the government banks will never be repaid. Steel has always been sold at a loss. It's a massive subsidy scam that's working until it doesn't.

3. I mean, I've visited China many times, started a company there and worked with several more. Not just China, but I've worked in former E. Germany, Czech Republic and Bulgaria. I've seen enough. I've worked with enough people. Plain and simple, communism doesn't work. It leaves behind a populace that is more susceptible to corruption, because that's what is needed to survive/thrive in a Communist country.

It's why every powerful Chinese person with a brain has an exit strategy. A family member with citizenship in another country. When the Communists decide it's your turn to be barbequed, there isn't a lot of time to get yourself and your assets out of China.

4. As to why it's the most populous...that's easy. It's one of the oldest and is a consolidation of many conquered countries. The US was started in 1776, China's Shang dynasty claims to be 6000 years ago or something. Ever wonder why there's a Chinatown in every major city in the world?

Nobody is arguing capitalism and democracy are perfect. What's argued is that Communism is rightly and justifiably hated almost as much as Nazism.

In Communist China...kill 100 to get the 1.
In America...save 100 to spare the 1.

Check out the first world problems thread. Those are arguments about different ticks and shortcomings. (and hilarious too) Communists can't seem to live without killing or significantly disrupting the people's lives of those they are ruling over. They should call it unenlightened thin skinned pharaoh style slavery, except the Communists have world class authors for spinning beautiful harmonious names on horror. Communists would not call them concentration camps like the Germans did...they'd call them Amazing Retraining Amusement Park Adventures...so wonderful nobody ever leaves.

[artillery77]

Originally Posted by Ian_Lee

Actually the Great Leap Forward didn't start until 1958-59 when Mao was really high and wanted to quicken China'ss pace into a really Communist paradise by collectivization, i.e. every household liquidated their kitchens, confiscated their woks to melt iron and try to "Surpass UK and in par with US". And in 1962 it was a complete disaster which forced Mao to give up his leadership position that paved the way for Cultural Revolution.

The Great Leap Forward was preceded by the notorious Hundred Flowers Blossom Campaign in 1957 which Mao asked everybody to speak up against the government. Many naive intellectuals, even including CCP members, were so naive to believe and spoke up to criticize. Afterwards Mao said it was a trap. Many famous people, even including former Prime Minister Zhu Rongji, were sent to labor camp.

One of the reasons I guess why Mao intervened in the Korean War is that he emulated what Kublic Khan did. When Kublic Khan attacked Japan, he didn't send his Mongol soldiers as vanguards. Instead he sent the surrendered Koryo (Korean) and Song (Chinese) soldiers to the front.

During the Chinese civil war, KMT collapsed faster than everybody anticipated -- including Mao, Chiang and US. By 1950, there were over one million KMT POWs and then turned PLA soldiers (Chiang just fled with 200,000 soldiers to Taiwan). Did Mao trust them? I guess not. So the best way was to "expend" them in Korea.

Then these former KMT soldiers became PVA. But common sense. After engaging in fighting for 12 years (8 years against Japanese and 4 years Civil War) , who would be still interested to "volunteer" to fight on foreign land?

So they were expended by Mao in Korea. When the armistice was signed in 1953, most of these PVA POWs held by UN forces chose to be repatriated to Taiwan instead of China. Why? Because they were actually ex-KMT soldiers.

Of course, Mao had suffered collateral damage. He sent his oldest son not to the front but to the rear in Korea. Somehow Mao Jr was killed by the US bomber.

I may have gotten my periods messed up. I thank you for the insight.

The mainstay of the post, whatever the action was called, still seems to hold in your writing as well. China's involvement in Korea served a dual purpose, the most important seeming to be the execution of former KMT/dissident people.