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Actually I used to believe that the EC should be eliminated and then the infamous Hanging Chad debacle of the 2000 election and my view changed. If we selected our president based on popular vote it would be a 5 year process till all the counts, recounts, re-recount and legal motions were settled. Using the EC allows each state to count their ballots and have their reps vote based on the returns there are only 5 cases where the EC went opposite the popular vote and 3 of those were in the 19th century.
This is just another example of "were a bigger states votes should count more" or "were bigger we should have more senators than the smaller states". The system is in place and for now works, people are just having a pissy meltdown because the election didn't turn out the way they wanted. Pick a candidate that doesn't revolt so many people and maybe your party will win next time.
For all the people who fell asleep in civics class...
1: There are 3,141 counties in the United States. Trump won 3,084 of them. Clinton won 57.
2: There are 62 counties in New York State. Trump won 46 of them. Clinton won 16.
3: Clinton won the popular vote by approx. 1.5 million votes.
4: In the 5 counties that encompass NYC, (Bronx, Brooklyn, Manhattan, Richmond & Queens) Clinton received well over 2 million more votes than Trump. (Clinton only won 4 of these counties; Trump won Richmond) Therefore these 5 counties alone, more than accounted for Clinton winning the popular vote of the entire country.
5: These 5 counties comprise 319 square miles. The United States is comprised of 3,797,000 square miles.
6: When you have a country that encompasses almost 4 million square miles of territory, it would be ludicrous to even suggest that the vote of those who inhabit a mere 319 square miles should dictate the outcome of a national election.
Large, densely populated Democrat cities (NYC, Chicago, LA, etc) don’t & shouldn’t speak for the rest of the country.
And this children is WHY you have an Electoral College. It's a safety net so that EVERYONE's vote counts.
Only the coasts would elect the president if we didn't have it.
I get it. You are saying that weeds and deserts should vote. Right?
The Constitution says, "We the people...", NOT "We the counties...."
If 90% of the US population lives in one county then that one county should decide the presidency. It's called democracy. Democracy is about people... not counties. Otherwise, you'd have 10% of the population deciding who the president is.
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Then the other 10% of the country have no reason to remain in the union and may decide to turn off the food and the power.
Yes, and so should states with lots of farmland that grow the food you eat.
Much of the food I eat is labeled as being from other countries..should they get votes also? Maybe you want corporations to get more votes....based on the profit they make?
Sorry, that one doesn't compute. Those people get Representative in Congress. They get State Governments and Local Government and everything else.
I'm not pushing the point either way - I think many other forms of government beat our "winner takes all, even with cheating, mistakes, etc." way.
Whatever we have been doing...it's not working. So change might be good.
For all the people who fell asleep in civics class...
1: There are 3,141 counties in the United States. Trump won 3,084 of them. Clinton won 57.
2: There are 62 counties in New York State. Trump won 46 of them. Clinton won 16.
3: Clinton won the popular vote by approx. 1.5 million votes.
4: In the 5 counties that encompass NYC, (Bronx, Brooklyn, Manhattan, Richmond & Queens) Clinton received well over 2 million more votes than Trump. (Clinton only won 4 of these counties; Trump won Richmond) Therefore these 5 counties alone, more than accounted for Clinton winning the popular vote of the entire country.
5: These 5 counties comprise 319 square miles. The United States is comprised of 3,797,000 square miles.
6: When you have a country that encompasses almost 4 million square miles of territory, it would be ludicrous to even suggest that the vote of those who inhabit a mere 319 square miles should dictate the outcome of a national election.
Large, densely populated Democrat cities (NYC, Chicago, LA, etc) don’t & shouldn’t speak for the rest of the country.
And this children is WHY you have an Electoral College. It's a safety net so that EVERYONE's vote counts.
Only the coasts would elect the president if we didn't have it.
1: There are 3,141 counties in the United States. Trump won 3,084 of them. Clinton won 57.
2: There are 62 counties in New York State. Trump won 46 of them. Clinton won 16.
Are you saying only 41 counties in the whole country outside of New York voted for Clinton?
See the linked map - colors are inverted (blue for Trump, red for Clinton) but there are way more than 57 counties that she carried nationwide.
I'm not even especially opposed to the Electoral College nor do I identify as a liberal. But writing mis-information like in point # 1 of the original post serves no constructive purpose.
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