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Old 03-18-2019, 11:56 PM
 
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If you have been following and actually paying attention to the news in the last few years, you would see that most of the mass killings have been done by anti-immigrant, right wing people. I can thing of one shooting by a leftist (the base ball shootings) and one by an extremist Muslim (Florida), but the rest seem to be espousing racist and anti-immigrant ideologies. There have also been a few that don't espouse any ideology. The last I heard, the Las Vegas shooting was one of those. But most authorities on violence will tell you that white supremicist/white nationalist terrorists are the rising threat in this country, and world wide.

By the way, Antifa has shown some violence - property damage and mayhem. But you won't find an Antifa member shooting up a place of worship or a school. White nationalists feel free not only to be violent, but to kill.
Just because Antifa hasn't killed anyone yet - that you know of - doesn't mean they haven't tried or haven't done things that could have resulted in death, because they have, so clearly they are violent and willing to kill.

The difference is that Antifa is deady in response to other people exercising their constitutional rights. For the most part, right-wing violence is in response to acts of aggression or support for aggression.

Sometimes its symbolic, where the revenge is taken against others of the (guilty) group than those directly responsible. For example, attacking the *supporters" of aggressive and harmful actions.

So the media likes to refer to this as terror, but really what it is, sometimes, is a response to aggression, rather than aggression itself, meaning it is retaliatory and not the originating action.
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Old 03-19-2019, 12:05 AM
 
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I've made posts that warn of the rising right-wing violence.


And after each post, the right-wingers would come to the thread and scream: what about antifa, the right-wing is peaceful. blah, blah. And then there'd be another episode of right-wing death and carnage.


Folks, if you don't know by now you probably were in a coma. Right-wing violence is here to stay and getting bolder. An antifa may scream at you and knock your hat off your head. A right-winger would point a gun at you and mow down you and everyone around you. You decide who's the real problem here.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5bZhYuGRvk


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Well, consider how the US became a nation in the first place...it was basically a violent overthrow of an existing govt!!! and we celebrate this as patriotic today too.
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Old 03-19-2019, 10:51 AM
 
Location: San Jose
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Just because Antifa hasn't killed anyone yet - that you know of - doesn't mean they haven't tried or haven't done things that could have resulted in death, because they have, so clearly they are violent and willing to kill.

The difference is that Antifa is deady in response to other people exercising their constitutional rights. For the most part, right-wing violence is in response to acts of aggression or support for aggression.
Its incredible how a handful of angry teenagers in black masks scares you guys so much. I thought you lot were about that macho military gun nonsense and you are scared of a bunch of teens. Its so pathetic.
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Old 03-19-2019, 10:58 AM
 
Location: deafened by howls of 'racism!!!'
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I would still like to know why progressives leave out 9/11 when talking about extremism/terrorism. Why do they so often tout statistics "since 9/11"?

Hmmm........
you already know why. because it skews the numbers severely to disadvantage their claims.
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Old 03-19-2019, 12:13 PM
 
Location: Denver CO
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Its incredible how a handful of angry teenagers in black masks scares you guys so much. I thought you lot were about that macho military gun nonsense and you are scared of a bunch of teens. Its so pathetic.
What an absolutely ridiculous statement. Only a fool isn't at least somewhat worried about a person or group of people who have shown a willingness to initiate violence against those who disagree with them.

Your pathetic variant of the "not a real man..." argument isn't worthy of adult conversation.
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Old 03-19-2019, 12:17 PM
 
Location: DFW
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We had 8 years of riots and police assassinations under Obama.

That has all calmed down since Trump has taken office.
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Old 03-19-2019, 12:24 PM
 
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I've made posts that warn of the rising right-wing violence.

And after each post, the right-wingers would come to the thread and scream: what about antifa, the right-wing is peaceful. blah, blah. And then there'd be another episode of right-wing death and carnage.

Folks, if you don't know by now you probably were in a coma. Right-wing violence is here to stay and getting bolder. An antifa may scream at you and knock your hat off your head. A right-winger would point a gun at you and mow down you and everyone around you. You decide who's the real problem here.

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Dead on. Takes about 2 minutes of research to get the facts that support your statement.

The pathetic denials from the hard Right that you read here, the substitution of alternate facts and the deflections - are simple minded fascist methods that have been kicking around for 100 years. For all that time the Radical Right has always been the greatest threat to democracy.

But you are making an assumption that everyone thinks this is a "problem". One of the important first steps in moving toward a fascist state are the radicals that promote destabilization. This is why they pretend to deny the obvious.
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Old 03-19-2019, 12:24 PM
 
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Nobody leaves it out. We can have two enemies at the same time, radical Islamic extremists and white nationalist terrorist. Both need to be rooted out and destroyed for the sake of peace and stability.
Of course it is often left out.
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Old 03-19-2019, 12:25 PM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA
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We had 8 years of riots and police assassinations under Obama.

That has all calmed down since Trump has taken office.
Well that's false.
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Old 03-19-2019, 12:30 PM
 
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I've made posts that warn of the rising right-wing violence.



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While you completely ignore left wing violence?


We know how it is. Double standard time.
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