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Well there is no national registration here either...but when I use the term "Registration"..its really not about that but really the tracking (registration) at the point of sale. Which *IS* what we have here, just not as a national scheme. Now, that being said I live in CA where we have a very strict system on top of the federal one. All sales are tracked (registered) and the firearm model and serial number and retailer information is all collected and recorded.
During this process, you must also provide identification, present your gun safety certificate, and pass the federal and CA DOJ background check, etc.
It might be different where you live, but you don't get out of the background check if you buy a firearm from an FFL no matter where you live. There is the "private seller loophole" in some states, where not only is there no background check, but in some states, in addition, no records are required to be kept, so there is absolutely no "registration" in those places.
However, 12 states require FFLs to keep full transaction records of all firearm sakes and 8 states require private sellers to do that same. Then there are 7 states that require dealers to keep records of handguns (but not long guns) and 5 states that require private parties to do the same.
Well how it works in many places in the US, is that information is collected (and retained) at the point of sale. Not everywhere...and not always for all types of guns...but in some places, all the times, and for all guns (like where I live and in a bunch of other states)
Don't forget the new ridiculous "ammo" tracking and registration. They can guess pretty good what you own based on what you buy. Pretty sure even if you have owned that AK47 since before sales tracking they can guess you own one if you are buying 7.62 x 39. That's why I reload and do everything cash.
It is good to know that most of the current firearms in the US were bought before any of this piecemeal tracking of anything.
If the six-million number is correct, then only 2.6% of the Jews who died in the holocaust were German Jews.
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As for other Germans, quite a few turned on Hitler including multiple military officers who tried to kill him.
To be fair, even the men who tried to kill Hitler, remained Nazis and basically Hitler supporters. They just didn't believe the war was winnable, and Hitler refused to surrender. Hitler was ready to let Germany be utterly destroyed, because he believed Germany being conquered by foreigners was worse than death.
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Back to my point though, people the government wanted to murder were denied the freedom to have firearms to defend themselves. Murderers don't generally like victims who can kill them instead.
The Jews actually did often have access to firearms. And there were many armed ghetto uprisings.
While guns certainly complicated things. The Germans could have easily killed every Jew in continental Europe if that is what they were actually trying to do.
Do you have a point that you wanted to add to that?
You know that guns are legal in Australia right? And you know the Australian population has grown by approx 6.5million people since the law changes that outlawed some classes of weapons?
Did you know gun ownership per capita has dropped by 23% since the law changes?
Did you know that in the past 30 years, the number of households with at least one gun has declined by 75%.
Did you know the number of gun-related homicides decreased by 57% between 1989-90 and 2013-14, and yes there was a downward trend prior to the law changes, but that the rate of decline doubled after the changes?
Did you also know that the law changes were and continue to be, overwhelmingly supported by the population.
Do you have a point that you wanted to add to that?
You know that guns are legal in Australia right? And you know the Australian population has grown by approx 6.5million people since the law changes that outlawed some classes of weapons?
Did you know gun ownership per capita has dropped by 23% since the law changes?
Did you know that in the past 30 years, the number of households with at least one gun has declined by 75%.
Did you know the number of gun-related homicides decreased by 57% between 1989-90 and 2013-14, and yes there was a downward trend prior to the law changes, but that the rate of decline doubled after the changes?
Did you also know that the law changes were and continue to be, overwhelmingly supported by the population.
As are the laws enacted by all those other first world civilized nations that do not fear a bogeyman under their beds, usually translated to be their own fellow citizens. The 2nd amendment they cling to, and routinely disparage the rest of us for not having, was crafted primarily to forestall a tyrannical government but has only resulted in there being so many firearms out there in the hands of the mentally ill, the criminal, the gangs etc., that now they no longer even consider that their prime reason....now it's "we need our guns to defend ourselves from EACH OTHER"!
The veritable illustration of an insane irony.
The rest of us will take whatever measure we can to avoid falling into the same quagmire of wantonly killing each other, so we can ultimately call ourselves less free.
As are the laws enacted by all those other first world civilized nations that do not fear a bogeyman under their beds, usually translated to be their own fellow citizens. The 2nd amendment they cling to, and routinely disparage the rest of us for not having, was crafted primarily to forestall a tyrannical government but has only resulted in there being so many firearms out there in the hands of the mentally ill, the criminal, the gangs etc., that now they no longer even consider that their prime reason....now it's "we need our guns to defend ourselves from EACH OTHER"!
The veritable illustration of an insane irony.
The rest of us will take whatever measure we can to avoid falling into the same quagmire of wantonly killing each other, so we can ultimately call ourselves less free.
Fair enough......I suppose.
Then again, let's ask a basic question........do "you" trust the US Government?
As are the laws enacted by all those other first world civilized nations that do not fear a bogeyman under their beds, usually translated to be their own fellow citizens. .
Regardless of the answer, do you think a personal arsenal stands a chance against the Government if they so decide?
If you take the "personal arsenal" with a force multiplier of millions of people? Hell yes. Half or more of LE and military own firearms so they aren't exactly going to be willing to go after gun owners or turn their own in. That and when there is a civil war one side doesn't get all the heavy arms, it's usually split down the middle just like Serbia.
Getting our butts kicked in Nam and Afghanistan is proof enough for me. It's already happened.
New Zealand mosque chairman: “I am not afraid to say I feel Mossad is behind [the mass murder of Muslims in Christchurch]”
I wonder what would make them think that? And just to play devil's advocate here, what if he was correct? Would the NZ government retract their new laws?
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