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Old 04-02-2019, 06:55 AM
 
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Dissolve the EC you might as well dissolve the boundaries and the governments of each state.
Not really, those state governments would still be able to make laws within their territory, tax and spend as they see fit like they do now. The only change would be that all votes for the US president would count equally no matter which state they were cast in.
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Old 04-02-2019, 06:57 AM
 
Location: Homeless
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Please explain why the electoral college needs to go and how the smaller states and rural areas dont matter?
Also, why didnt't abolishing of the college come up when democrats won elections?

https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/el.../01/id/909701/
Umm ONE person ONE vote, why is that so hard?
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Old 04-02-2019, 07:04 AM
 
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Every single vote already counts. Just because you lose, it doesn't mean your vote wasn't counted. It means you didn't have enough votes for things to go your way.
California has 55 electoral college votes, all 55 of those went to Hilary when actually she only got 61.7% of the vote there.

It would seem much fairer to split the electoral college votes so that the candidates get them in proportion to the number of votes they got in any state.

So in CA at the 2016 election you had

Clinton 61.7%
Trump 31.6%
Johnson 3.4%
Stein 2.0%

So that would be

Clinton 34 EC votes
Trump 18 EC votes
Johnson 2 EC votes
Stein 1 EC vote
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Old 04-02-2019, 07:12 AM
 
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California has 55 electoral college votes, all 55 of those went to Hilary when actually she only got 61.7% of the vote there.

It would seem much fairer to split the electoral college votes so that the candidates get them in proportion to the number of votes they got in any state.

So in CA at the 2016 election you had

Clinton 61.7%
Trump 31.6%
Johnson 3.4%
Stein 2.0%

So that would be

Clinton 34 EC votes
Trump 18 EC votes
Johnson 2 EC votes
Stein 1 EC vote
Because the way our system is set up. We are a federation of independent states. States vote directly for the president, the individual voter does not. States don't vote 40 percent for one person and 60 percent for the other. When you vote in a presidential election, you are telling your state who you want your state to elect. That's where your vote goes. Your vote is not thrown away anymore than if you lose in a direct election.
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Old 04-02-2019, 07:15 AM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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States vote for the president, not the individual person.
And thats antiquated and backwards everyones vote should count and we shouldn't have a system where rural interests have more political power than urban interests. The system should strive to be as equitable as possible.
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Old 04-02-2019, 07:16 AM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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California has 55 electoral college votes, all 55 of those went to Hilary when actually she only got 61.7% of the vote there.

It would seem much fairer to split the electoral college votes so that the candidates get them in proportion to the number of votes they got in any state.

So in CA at the 2016 election you had

Clinton 61.7%
Trump 31.6%
Johnson 3.4%
Stein 2.0%

So that would be

Clinton 34 EC votes
Trump 18 EC votes
Johnson 2 EC votes
Stein 1 EC vote
This would definitely be more equitable but harder for the media to call the election early since it might take until all of the polls closed to get to 270.


Although, maybe rather than 270, it should be just a simple majority of EC votes.
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Old 04-02-2019, 07:32 AM
 
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All the wishing in the world isn't going to change the EC. Smaller states will never go along with it, including many liberal smaller states. States will not make themselves be less important because they have smaller populations. They are equal in power, that's why each state has two senators regardless of size. The concept is brilliant, not antiquated.
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Old 04-02-2019, 07:34 AM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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The concept is brilliant, not antiquated.
The concept is brilliant for suppressing the people yes I agree. Times change though people don't like being suppressed forever. Thats why we have things like the civil rights act and minimum wage laws.
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Old 04-02-2019, 07:37 AM
 
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The concept is brilliant for suppressing the people yes I agree. Times change though people don't like being suppressed forever. Thats why we have things like the civil rights act and minimum wage laws.
Said another way:You want access to other peoples money without working for it
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Old 04-02-2019, 07:37 AM
 
Location: Phoenix
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Please explain why the electoral college needs to go and how the smaller states and rural areas dont matter?
Also, why didnt't abolishing of the college come up when democrats won elections?

https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/el.../01/id/909701/
It's cost them the 2000 and 2016 elections, I can understand why they want it gone.....but it ain't going anywhere anytime soon.
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