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Old 04-16-2019, 01:14 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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I watched the town hall from beginning to end. He had great talking points and absolutely no answers on how any of it would work.

It was more "if you like something you can keep something", until you can't BS
Bernie’s promises were similar to those made by Trump:

“ Replace Obamacare with something wonderful that will take care of everybody and the government is going to pay for it”

“Better healthcare at a tiny fraction of the cost.”

Yet he never mentioned healthcare in his inauguration speech. A few weeks later, Trump let loose with “ no one knew healthcare was complicated”. It became obvious to the most casual observer, Trump had no plan.

More recently, Trump announced “Republicans would become the party of healthcare”. No one in the party/ his Admin knew what he was talking about.

Bernie and Trump are both populists and will say whatever they perceive their bases want to hear.
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Old 04-16-2019, 01:17 PM
 
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Bernie’s promises were similar to those made by Trump:

“ Replace Obamacare with something wonderful that will take care of everybody and the government is going to pay for it”

“Better healthcare at a tiny fraction of the cost.”

Yet he never mentioned healthcare in his inauguration speech. A few weeks later, Trump let loose with “ no one knew healthcare was complicated”. It became obvious to the most casual observer, Trump had no plan.

More recently, Trump announced “Republicans would become the party of healthcare”. No one in the party/ his Admin knew what he was talking about.

Bernie and Trump are both populists and will say whatever they perceive their bases want to hear.
Bernie has actual policy plans so how do you place him in the same boat with a liar and grifter such as Trump? Kind of strange.
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So far, Sanders' Medicare for All Act of 2019 is supported by a number of lawmakers and more than 50 national organizations. It has more than a dozen co-sponsors in the Senate, including Sens. Kamala Harris, Elizabeth Warren, Cory Booker and Kirsten Gillibrand -- all of whom are also vying with Sanders for the 2020 Democratic presidential nomination.
https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2019...8721554894605/
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Old 04-16-2019, 01:20 PM
 
Location: Homeless
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Bernie and Trump are both populists and will say whatever they perceive their bases want to hear.
Yet EVERYONE who runs for government at any level does that.
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Old 04-16-2019, 01:23 PM
 
Location: moved
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Bernie has actual policy plans so how do you place him in the same boat with a liar and grifter such as Trump? Kind of strange.
Yes, he does have actual policy plans, to his credit. But those plans (1) involve draconian tax increases, and (2) make risibly rosy assumptions about cost-savings or the marshaling of resources to actually implement the promised programs.

The main benefit from Bernie's speeches is raising awareness of the issues... not actually finding tractable solutions. Where he goes utterly wrong, is in promising that solutions are at hand, if only we made a concerted effort. They're not at hand. They're hard, costly and uncertain. They will have both winners and losers. They will improve the lives of some, but also hurt the lives of others. And they may or may not have an aggregate positive economic impact (likely quite negative).

No politician will admit the ultimate truth: the overall economy does better, when a great many people suffer, leading lives of misery and exploitation. If we try to uplift everyone, this fails twice-over. First, many will see their lives actually get worse. And second, the overall economy will likely do worse.
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Old 04-16-2019, 01:50 PM
 
Location: United States
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Yes, he does have actual policy plans, to his credit. But those plans (1) involve draconian tax increases, and (2) make risibly rosy assumptions about cost-savings or the marshaling of resources to actually implement the promised programs.

The main benefit from Bernie's speeches is raising awareness of the issues... not actually finding tractable solutions. Where he goes utterly wrong, is in promising that solutions are at hand, if only we made a concerted effort. They're not at hand. They're hard, costly and uncertain. They will have both winners and losers. They will improve the lives of some, but also hurt the lives of others. And they may or may not have an aggregate positive economic impact (likely quite negative).

No politician will admit the ultimate truth: the overall economy does better, when a great many people suffer, leading lives of misery and exploitation. If we try to uplift everyone, this fails twice-over. First, many will see their lives actually get worse. And second, the overall economy will likely do worse.
I've been saying something to this effect on here for years.

To put it in the simplest form, there is no good way to provide modern healthcare to 350 million people. No matter what we do, there is be problems, and it will be very expensive.
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Old 04-16-2019, 02:05 PM
 
Location: USA
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I've been saying something to this effect on here for years.

To put it in the simplest form, there is no good way to provide modern healthcare to 350 million people. No matter what we do, there is be problems, and it will be very expensive.
It’s very expensive with our current “free market” (aka crony capitalist) healthcare system. Other modern countries with universal healthcare actually spend less money per person on healthcare.

We already provide “socialized medicine” for the poor, disabled, and elderly. What’s the problem with expanding it to the working poor with a “Medicare for All” system?
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Old 04-16-2019, 02:19 PM
 
Location: United States
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It’s very expensive with our current “free market” (aka crony capitalist) healthcare system. Other modern countries with universal healthcare actually spend less money per person on healthcare.

We already provide “socialized medicine” for the poor, disabled, and elderly. What’s the problem with expanding it to the working poor with a “Medicare for All” system?
My statement covers the current system as well, providing healthcare for 350 million people is expensive.

The problem is that nobody has put forward an even remotely realistic plan to pay for universal healthcare.
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Old 04-16-2019, 02:41 PM
 
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Says those who voted for a reality TV star.
Your mad scientist candidate couldn’t win the last primary and he won’t this time.
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Old 04-16-2019, 02:47 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Trump Complains Fox News Was Too 'Smiley and Nice' to Bernie Sanders
Leading Democratic 2020 contender Bernie Sanders participated in a Fox News town hall Monday night.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...55023849017345

U.S. President Donald Trump tweeted his dismay at Democratic 2020 contender Bernie Sander’s favorable reception during his Monday night town hall on Fox News.

Sanders often received loud applause from the Fox audience, which also directly asked him questions. When grilled by an audience member whether or not the Democrats could go too far left and aid in Trump’s reelection, Sanders launched a stinging attack on Trump’s character.

He said, “Whether you’re conservative or moderate or progressive, I don't think the American people are proud that we have a president who is a pathological liar. ...Trump cannot even tell the truth as to where his father was born.”

In late March, Gabriel Sherman reported in Vanity Fair that internal divisions are arising in Fox News’ coverage of Trump.

Sherman’s report came the day before 21st Century Fox sold off large assets to Disney and began trading under a new name — Fox Corp.

"Donald Trump's alliance with Fox News has been one of the few constants throughout his shambolic presidency," Sherman wrote. "But in recent days, that bond has shown signs of fraying.

"Reporters are telling management that we're being defined by the worst people on our air," Sherman wrote, citing a senior source in Fox News.
https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/trum...ders-1.7133058

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Does Trump think FOX News is his own propaganda outlet?
Notice in his "tweet" he says and now "we" have @donnabrazille
Who the hell is “we”!???

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Old 04-16-2019, 02:49 PM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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Freechit
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So what else does Bern have to say?
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