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In 1956 Nasser of Egypt, who was already dedicated to the destruction of Israel, formulated a strangulation plan. He was accepting weapons and advisors from the USSR, and forming military alliances with several other Arab nations in the region. He militarized the Sinai region. In 1956 Israel in response launched a pre-emptive attack against him (the 'Sinai war'). There was no new territory this time, but Israel regained access to the Straits of Tiran, which had been closed by Egypt. They also secured the presence of UN Peacekeepers in Sinai.
In 1967 Nasser again ramped up his strangulation strategy, and Israel launched another pre-emptive strike (the 6 day war). As a result, Israel took control of the Sinai, and the Golan Heights in Syria. Israel now had much more defensible borders.
In 1973 Anwar Sadat had taken over for Nasser, and launched a dangerous attack in concert with Syria, on Oct 6 (the 'Yom Kippur War'). Richard Nixon intervened by arranging an emergency shipment of advanced weaponry, and the war was over by late October.
This war frightened Israel, and led to the resignation of Golda Meir. It also led to the Camp David Accords engineered by President Jimmy Carter. Sadat, unlike Nasser, was a realist and willing to negotiate. This was the first real enduring agreement since the 1948 creation of Israel. Sadat, for his troubles, was assassinated in 1981. A fatwa for this was issued by Omar Abdel-Rahman, a cleric later convicted in the US in connection with the 1993 World Trade Center bombing.
In 1948, following the Holocaust, it was considered by many, including US President Harry Truman, that a Jewish state was needed as a haven. The Jewish people had been stateless for 1900 years.
The UN came up with an partition plan that gave them 50% of the area known as Palestine. It excluded important areas including Judea, Samaria, and the West Bank. Jews reluctantly accepted the plan. Jews were used to negotiating from a position of weakness. Arabs were a people of conquest, and so they, summarily rejected the plan. Instead they went to war against the Jews in 1948. The war ended in Nov. 1948, leaving the Jews now with 80% of Palestine.
In 1949, Jews offered negotiation, including return of some of the territory in exchange for final resolution of the borders. The Arabs refused to talk directly with them. They worked through the UN to demand a return to the UN partition boundaries, which they had never recognized.
That narrative is garbage. It’s total bunk.
Palestine was ethnically cleansed of it’s Arab population. Arabs also suffered land and home confiscations at the point of a machine gun. Whole Arab cities and villages were wiped out. Places that had been in Palestine for centuries. Genocide was also not off the table. Ask the survivors of the Al Dawayima massacre.
There were atrocities committed on both sides, but the Israelis committed far more atrocities than the Arabs did.
I support Israel because they are the good guys. Israel is a civilized nation surrounded by barbarism. The Jews were Gods chosen people, they are the custodians of the Holy Land. I will always support Israel.
I was listening until you threw in "God's chosen people". In the modern world, essentially all land is already owned. To "create" Israel required screwing over those already there. Did Israel treat them with any kindness whatsoever? Did they ever really try to coexist? No one has been "chosen" and to believe you are such is to invite your own immoral behavior toward others. My redemption doesn't depend on Israel.
Palestine was ethnically cleansed of it’s Arab population. Arabs also suffered land and home confiscations at the point of a machine gun. Whole Arab cities and villages were wiped out. Places that had been in Palestine for centuries. Genocide was also not off the table. Ask the survivors of the Al Dawayima massacre.
There were atrocities committed on both sides, but the Israelis committed far more atrocities than the Arabs did.
This reply does not even address anything contained in my 'narrative.' All you've done is to change the subject.
Palestine was ethnically cleansed of it’s Arab population. Arabs also suffered land and home confiscations at the point of a machine gun. Whole Arab cities and villages were wiped out. Places that had been in Palestine for centuries. Genocide was also not off the table. Ask the survivors of the Al Dawayima massacre.
There were atrocities committed on both sides, but the Israelis committed far more atrocities than the Arabs did.
I do not disagree at all that there were atrocities on both sides. The massacre at Deir Yassin (by Jews) is a prominent example. But war is sometimes a contest of who can do the worst atrocity. The Arabs started the war in 1948. Again, the Jews had accepted (reluctantly) the UN partition plan, but the Arabs spit on it and went to war. Don't want atrocities, don't start a war.
In 1948, following the Holocaust, it was considered by many, including US President Harry Truman, that a Jewish state was needed as a haven. The Jewish people had been stateless for 1900 years.
Not allowed to have one until the Moshiach returns. Go study up on your Jewish stuff.
That narrative is garbage. It’s total bunk.
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There were atrocities committed on both sides, but the Israelis committed far more atrocities than the Arabs did.
Evidence? There were tons of terrorists attacks and murders of Jews by Arabs from the beginning. You also forget that, between 1948 and 1967 over 500,000 Jews were expelled from Islamic nations like Morocco, Iraq, Yemen etc., where in some cases Jews had been living for several thousand years.
Show me where the Jews caused 500,000 Arabs to become refugees.
Anyone find it bizarre that republicans have their own form of political correctness, where if you criticize Israel or don't support Israel enough, your branded an anti Semite or hater of Israel? All Israel does is take take take from US taxpayers !! I say enough is enough!! Why are we as a nation eternally obligated to support Israel no matter what!!! Republican evangelicals are a bizarre group of people for sure!
I do not disagree at all that there were atrocities on both sides. The massacre at Deir Yassin (by Jews) is a prominent example. But war is sometimes a contest of who can do the worst atrocity. The Arabs started the war in 1948. Again, the Jews had accepted (reluctantly) the UN partition plan, but the Arabs spit on it and went to war. Don't want atrocities, don't start a war.
Arabs DID NOT start the war. That longstanding lie needs to be put to rest. Arabs scarcely had anything to start a war with.
Moreover, war is not an excuse for atrocities. Even wars have rules.
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