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$260K just for the bare minimum for 1 kid. And let's be real, any decent parent is going to want to enroll their kid in music/dance lessons, tutoring, SAT prep, and educational summer/day camps, foreign language lessons, as well as take them travelling abroad to broaden their minds. They'll also want toys, laptops, smartphones, bicycles, proper gear if they play sports, musical instruments, plenty of books, etc.
Not to mention, saving up so they can attend university.
Sure it's possible to raise children cheaply, but not if you don't have all the time in the world to live like the Amish or if you care about giving your children an edge to compete in the world.
You must live in a wealthy area or know a lot of families that are tremendously in debt. What is the salary for these families? $150K?
The figure is to age 18. It doesn't include college.
Motherhood is not a punishment. Seeing children as weapons of torture, as you clearly have pointed out in your post, is a psycho- and socio-pathic viewpoint.
You cannot talk about the value of life if you believe in abortion. Because a belief in abortion shows that there is no value to life. And babies are for killing.
That's where your viewpoint is corrupt and falls completely off the rails from the start.
PS. Yes, mothers are responsible for raising their own children. That's not news.
To borrow your phrase, your viewpoint falls completely off the rails from the start when your position is based on the fallacy that a clump of cells is a life. Personhood at conception is a religious belief, not a provable biological fact.
My dear, You are in pretend world. You see motherhood as a punishment to those who have the tragic misfortune of an unplanned pregnancy and for engaging in sex.
Don't lecture those of us who truly value genuine life by twisting my words. You know darn well that pro-choice means a belief that women have the basic human right to decide when and whether to have children, based on their own moral and religious beliefs, even though they themselves may not choose abortion as an option for an unplanned pregnancy.
Anti-choice people believe women's bodies, rights, and health should be subordinated to the protection of embryos.
Anti-choice people often call themselves “pro-life.” But the only existence they are concerned with is a fertilized egg, embryo, or fetus. They are much less concerned about the life of women who have unintended pregnancies or the welfare of children after they are born. In fact, many anti-choice people who call themselves “pro-life” support capital punishment and oppose child welfare legislation.
Most anti-choice and anti-women's rights crusaders and so called pro-lifers have vindictive, self-righteous attitudes that stem from a belief that sex is bad and must be punished. They sanctimoniously call themselves pro-life with no respect for the real living and breathing human woman. Motherhood should never be punishment for having sex. Forcing a child to be born to punish its mother is the ultimate in child abuse. Those so called pro-lifers trivialize motherhood and childbirth by dismissing pregnancy as a mere inconvenience. Many ignore or belittle the needs of the woman and the conflict she endures in making her decision.
So if being pro-women's health and advocating to uphold the right to reproductive autonomy and my belief in equal civil rights, for you and me, makes me a corrupt socio-psychopath, I suggest you watch out for nose-bleeds up there on your vindictive, self-righteous high horse.
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Do you realize that over half of the women that get an abortion were using BC?
Yes. I've quoted that figure before, many, many times. You probably heard it from me. /shrug/
And I have 3 questions to hose who claimed to use BC:
Did they lie to the abortion clinic and in reality did NOT use BC?
How many methods of BC did they use?
Did they use the methods properly?
It very well could be for many. Poor women who can't afford more children, women living in abusive relationships, women who were raped, women who are ill equipped to raise a child.
You don't speak for all women. Even though you consistently think you should be able to.
Nor do you. Many poor women and men love, protect, feed, clothe their children. They don't have to have Iphones, sports cars and bling to be considered taken care of.
You are speaking your own version of reality which is the exception, not the rule.
Nor do you. Many poor women and men love, protect, feed, clothe their children. They don't have to have Iphones, sports cars and bling to be considered taken care of.
And I will not try to tell them to do otherwise. Unlike you. See, that's what choice is all about.
If a woman has sex and gets pregnant, the baby should pay the consequences by dying a horrible death?
What do you consider a horrible death?
Medical abortions consist of taking one pill that stops hormone production in the woman needed for a fetus to
survive. Then a second pill to cause the uterine lining to release and flush out. What comes out looks like a heavy period. Early surgical abortions use the same first medication, the suction to remove the uterine lining. That accounts for about 98% of abortions. The remaining are generally for fetal anomalies, or maternal health.
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