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Old 05-22-2019, 08:29 AM
 
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Disenfranchisement and the nullification of the popular vote is a result of the Electoral College. Not the other way around. It is time to do away with this anti-democratic anachronism.


One person, one vote. No votes are more equal than others.


The role of how electoral votes are determined was left to each state. It has always been that way. That is why states have different ways of determining who gets what votes. Now Trumpers do not like it when states modify the way it counts its votes the way they want it ti be and, therefore, want federal intervention. Hypocrisy at its finest.

The EC was devised so that America never became a form of "pure" democracy where tyranny of the majority rules.
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Old 05-22-2019, 08:30 AM
 
Location: Live:Downtown Phoenix, AZ/Work:Greater Los Angeles, CA
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The President will sign an EO before the election I would guess and in his 2nd term get a law passed to preserve the EC.
2nd term, that's a good one 🤣
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Old 05-22-2019, 08:32 AM
 
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Spoken like a true leftist fascist!
So he says "let the people elect the President" and you call him a leftist fascist? Which is hilarious anyway, since a fascist is by definition right-wing.
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Old 05-22-2019, 08:33 AM
 
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Oh Dear me..States Rights advocates going all postal over a state exercising its State's rights. Once again we have sore losing Trumpers going off about Civil War if things don't go their way. Just like Trump himself. Whine, Whine Whine. Threaten. Threaten. Threaten.


What Nevada is doing is what all States should do. We've had two of the worst presidents in history elected because of the electoral college. Time to fix it. The people deserve to elect the president not an anachronistic process meant to protect the slave States.

Hopefully the bill passes.
Your post from beginning to end is fill with inaccuracies, but the main part I will focus on is your bold face lie regarding why the EC was created.
Needless to say knowledgeable people know better, but many leftists hope the ignorance of the people about their own history will allow them to accept the false narrative you are pushing.

They can watch this video to educate themselves as to why the EC was created, and why it protects states rights;


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxmQXQOO3gs


Only in such a free country do you have people clamoring to give up their individual freedom and rights.


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Old 05-22-2019, 08:34 AM
 
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No it's not. States don't have the right to enter into compacts without Congressional approval.
How is this different from all those anti-abortion laws that are currently being passed? Are those States entering in compact?

The popular vote laws are not a compact. In fact, none are worded the same.
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Old 05-22-2019, 08:35 AM
 
Location: North America
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This is nothing more than an attempt to stop Trump from winning in 2020. Its irresponsible, dangerous and It will eventually lead to succession. Our founding fathers knew what they were doing “leave it aloneâ€.




https://www.rgj.com/story/news/polit...sh/3760601002/
No, the left is not destroying the country. Why do you people have a problem with the popular vote winning an election? I don;t want a President, or any person in power to be elected by the minority of voters.
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Old 05-22-2019, 08:35 AM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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Is this ultimately any different from what Maine and Nebraska already do?

No, not really. Nevada and the other 15 states would just use a different criteria for deciding how the electoral votes are allocated.
It's way different. Maine and Nevada proportion their votes based on the votes within their own states.


What they are proposing in Nevada is to assign the electoral votes to the candidate that won the popular vote in all 50 states (49 of which, aren't Nevada). it's illegal, it's unconstitutional and it will never get through the supreme court.
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Old 05-22-2019, 08:35 AM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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Nope, it's the former...

If there were no formal compact, one would expect these state bills to go into effect immediately... not wait until their new "super" state accumulates 270 electoral votes.
Well I suppose it's a borderline issue. In my mind if nobody's signing any documents to formally coordinate with each other, it's not a formal compact, just some states all doing the same thing.

That said, I don't expect this will go anywhere regardless, so it's probably a moot point.
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Old 05-22-2019, 08:35 AM
 
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The EC was devised so that America never became a form of "pure" democracy where tyranny of the majority rules.

Yes, and it backfired tremendously. In the last two election cycles where the person won by the Electoral College were the types of people the electoral college was meant to prevent from winning. The crude, coarse, vulgar or otherwise, unqualified populist. The people knew better. The system let us down.



We now have the tyranny of the minority imposing their will on the majority. That is not what was envisioned by by the founding fathers either.


Time to change it.
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Old 05-22-2019, 08:38 AM
 
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Your post from beginning to end is fill with inaccuracies, but the main part I will focus on is your bold face lie regarding why the EC was created.
Needless to say knowledgeable people know better, but many leftists hope the ignorance of the people about their own history will allow them to accept the false narrative you are pushing.

They can watch this video to educate themselves as to why the EC was created, and why it protects states rights;


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxmQXQOO3gs


Only in such a free country do you have people clamoring to give up their individual freedom and rights.


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Yeah, Politicalchicks.com???? I don't watch that right-wing garbage and when I do I take it for what it is.

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