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Even if you don't believe in climate change, it is still in humanity's moral and economic best interest to pursue renewable energy. So what if liberals want to subsidize renewable energy, the negative externalities of pollution mean that this is an efficient market solution - even if climate change is fake. The sooner conservatives accept this the better everyone will be.
I got a 7.8 Gigwatt solar panel array on my roof. I have it because:
a) I get to use your tax money to fund 30% of the project
b) I get to make money over time
c) I'm IT guy. Tech is fun.
I think it's the government and utility's best interest to move to renewable energy for the sake of being energy dependent than using other fossil fuel which has a geopolitical impact than just environment. More people died from oil wars than from global warming effects.
The problem with the liberal environment agenda is that it's business driven to force people and government to spend more money to replace outdated industries with new industries. There is never any financial cost savings and many renewable energy companies are also guilty of the same environmental impact hiding behind the "environment-friendly" label.
I guess you'll have to go with the "fudged data" excuse on this one. You know these climate scientists trying to get grant money and bring down western civilization and the like.
Again, the who's data is better argument doesn't hold water when we look at history.
Thousands of years ago before the last ice age. There were animals and early human species. Did the warm climate before the ice age killed animal life?
NO, because we knew that extinction events on earth are caused by catastrophic events such as a comet or large meteor strike. There are no historical records that show animal species died because the weather was too warm.
The dinosaurs did well in a very warm climate compared to the cooler climate we have today. There were lots of vegetation and plant life in the hot climate all before the ice age.
But I know the new academic science doesn't give a damn about earth's warm climate in the past that supported plenty of life.
Again, the who's data is better argument doesn't hold water when we look at history.
Thousands of years ago before the last ice age. There were animals and early human species. Did the warm climate before the ice age killed animal life?
NO, because we knew that extinction events on earth are caused by catastrophic events such as a comet or large meteor strike. There are no historical records that show animal species died because the weather was too warm.
The dinosaurs did well in a very warm climate compared to the cooler climate we have today. There were lots of vegetation and plant life in the hot climate all before the ice age.
But I know the new academic science doesn't give a damn about earth's warm climate in the past that supported plenty of life.
End Permian, 251 million years ago, 96% of species lost
— Tabulate coral, 5 CM
Known as “the great dying”, this was by far the worst extinction event ever seen; it nearly ended life on Earth. The tabulate corals were lost in this period – today’s corals are an entirely different group. What caused it? A perfect storm of natural catastrophes. A cataclysmic eruption near Siberia blasted CO2 into the atmosphere. Methanogenic bacteria responded by belching out methane, a potent greenhouse gas. Global temperatures surged while oceans acidified and stagnated, belching poisonous hydrogen sulfide. “It set life back 300 million years,” says Schmidt. Rocks after this period record no coral reefs or coal deposits.
Of the past 5 extinctions since life began, only one was caused by an asteroid. And scientists now think we are currently experiencing the 6th extinction....
End Permian, 251 million years ago, 96% of species lost
— Tabulate coral, 5 CM
Known as “the great dying”, this was by far the worst extinction event ever seen; it nearly ended life on Earth. The tabulate corals were lost in this period – today’s corals are an entirely different group. What caused it? A perfect storm of natural catastrophes. A cataclysmic eruption near Siberia blasted CO2 into the atmosphere. Methanogenic bacteria responded by belching out methane, a potent greenhouse gas. Global temperatures surged while oceans acidified and stagnated, belching poisonous hydrogen sulfide. “It set life back 300 million years,” says Schmidt. Rocks after this period record no coral reefs or coal deposits.
Of the past 5 extinctions since life began, only one was caused by an asteroid. And scientists now think we are currently experiencing the 6th extinction....
I've been reading a lot about this 6th extinction.
Why can't Conservative's accept the science and find free-market solutions to the problem? Why does almost every Conservative have to tow climate denial talking points or be considered politically incorrect if they don't? Can't you put science before politics and come up with Conservative solutions?
Because of religion. Religion plays a large part in climate change denialism. After all, most conservatives believe that God controls the weather and that climate change is another liberal attempt to undermine the sovereignty of God. After all, if you can't trust scientists that the universe is billions of years old (every good Christian knows its 6000 years old) how could you trust them on climate change?
Why can't Conservative's accept the science and find free-market solutions to the problem? Why does almost every Conservative have to tow climate denial talking points or be considered politically incorrect if they don't? Can't you put science before politics and come up with Conservative solutions?
1. science accepts that climate change is real...and natural
2. logic accepts that man can do nothing to change nor stop the natural cycle of glacial/interglacial periods
3. the fascist liberals have a solution... a tax...a tax without an answer to what you will do with the money... the fascist liberals are about greed.....greed for the liberal elite
the real question is why haven't the lying liberals, who lie about being supportive of alt energy, why they haven't put one plan forward
obozo had his unstimulating stimulus bill that didn't stimulate anything, but wasted a trillion dollars
if Obama, or any other liberal OR conservative had been smart, they would have looked at a real stimulus
in 2008/09 when we spent 1.5 trillion on 'saving' faled companies and not so shovel ready jobs, we could have put a solar electrical system on each and every single family house. thus eliminating the need for residential electric companies ...making EVERY house part of the electric grid
if the stupid liberals actually wanted to, they could have done it back in 2008/9/10
solar has come a long way, and is quite efficient now, ((still has a long way to go, especially in the 'shelf life' of panels and batteries)))
did you know the DoD (military) has come up with a paintable solar...ie solar in a spray can... a can of spray paint (looks more like undercoating) and you can produce some energy.... still in the works, but looks good http://www.nsf.gov/news/special_repo...rayonsolar.jsp
wind is the one that is NOT efficient and actually costs more to produce
I wish the liberals instead of spending 1.5 trillion on an unstimulating stimulus, and bailing out failed companies, would have said..lets spend that trillion+ dollars and put a solar electrical system on each and every single family home...this would have saved the average American home owner 200-500 dollars MONTHLY and would have eliminated the need for ''residential electric utility companies" and would have lowered our need of coal/fossil fuel for home energy.......once that program was complete, then look to expand to commercial properties .... this would have truly been a '''shovel ready''' job and put millions of construction contractors to work during the recession....... but alas the liberals aren't really interested in saving the economy or taking care of the middleclass...all the liberals are interested in doing, is lying to the people and lining their pockets.
imagine if our liberals(who say they are for the environment ) had been smart enough to actually use that idea...every home in America would now be part of the energy grip producing energy...every home in America would be free of the municipal utility bills hitting them for 200/300/500+ a month for electric
not one politician (from either party) made even a remotely similar suggestion, yet the liberals lie and say they are for the environment
conservatives are quite solar positive ...yet not one liberal in Obama's admin ever proposed even close to MY idea
Because of religion. Religion plays a large part in climate change denialism. After all, most conservatives believe that God controls the weather and that climate change is another liberal attempt to undermine the sovereignty of God. After all, if you can't trust scientists that the universe is billions of years old (every good Christian knows its 6000 years old) how could you trust them on climate change?
wrong
most conservatives (minus the religious NUTS) understand that the earth (4.5 billion years old) has gone through two dozen climate changes
most conservatives accept climate chage is real...and natural
but the EGOTISTICAL liberals, who think they are so elite, are so cocky that they think little tiny man has not only changed the environment, but that a tax can stop the change...
Because of religion. Religion plays a large part in climate change denialism. After all, most conservatives believe that God controls the weather and that climate change is another liberal attempt to undermine the sovereignty of God. After all, if you can't trust scientists that the universe is billions of years old (every good Christian knows its 6000 years old) how could you trust them on climate change?
Religion is a big part of AGW denial, yes. If greenhouse gasses are responsible for regulating the earth’s temperature, then God is not really in control. That’s outright heresy to the evangelical / fundamentalist Christians.
Which is why I think Conservatives should just own up to the issue and put forth their own free-market solutions. To instead go in full cognitive dissonance mode over this is highly irresponsible, especially for future Conservative generations.
There are Conservatives all over the developed world and yet they acknowledge the science on this issue...what makes American Conservatives different on this issue?
Are you claiming that everyone except American conservatives believes in man made climate change? If it is, you're wrong.
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In 2010, Morano released a report listing more than 1,000 scientists worldwide who challenged the IPCC’s claims of man-made global warming.
The same year, 130 German scientists sent a letter to the chancellor voicing their concerns. In 2009, more than 100 international scientists challenged then-President Barack Obama’s climate claims, calling them “simply incorrect.” Also in 2009, 166 scientists from around the world wrote an open letter to the U.N. secretary-general declaring that the science is not settled. Scientists in Russia and India have also challenged the AGW theory. The bottom line is this: there’s massive scientific dissent.
“Civilization will end within 15 or 30 years unless immediate action is taken against problems facing mankind.”
— Harvard biologist George Wald
“It is already too late to avoid mass starvation,”
— Denis Hayes, Chief organizer for Earth Day
“We are in an environmental crisis which threatens the survival of this nation, and of the world as a suitable place of human habitation."
— Washington University biologist Barry Commoner
“Population will inevitably and completely outstrip whatever small increases in food supplies we make. The death rate will increase until at least 100–200 million people per year will be starving to death during the next ten years. … Most of the people who are going to die in the greatest cataclysm in the history of man have already been born. … [By 1975] some experts feel that food shortages will have escalated the present level of world hunger and starvation into famines of unbelievable proportions. Other experts, more optimistic, think the ultimate food-population collision will not occur until the decade of the 1980s.
— Stanford University biologist Paul Ehrlich
At the present rate of nitrogen buildup, it’s only a matter of time before light will be filtered out of the atmosphere and none of our land will be usable. … By the year 2000, if present trends continue, we will be using up crude oil at such a rate … that there won’t be any more crude oil. You’ll drive up to the pump and say, ‘Fill ‘er up, buddy,’ and he’ll say, ‘I am very sorry, there isn’t any. … The world has been chilling sharply for about twenty years. If present trends continue, the world will be about four degrees colder for the global mean temperature in 1990, but eleven degrees colder in the year 2000. This is about twice what it would take to put us into an ice age.”
Then in 1986 we got one of James Hansen's early predictions of doom, which was totally wrong.
NOAA even said there had been no warming since 1895, let alone 1958.
Religion is a big part of AGW denial, yes. If greenhouse gasses are responsible for regulating the earth’s temperature, then God is not really in control. That’s outright heresy to the evangelical / fundamentalist Christians.
Ultimately that's what it comes down to. Also the fact that fundamentalists believe that extreme weather events will increase as we approach the second coming of Christ. Therefore, anything the "libruls" blame on climate change is actually a sign of the times.
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