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Old 06-13-2019, 12:12 PM
 
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Of course it has a legal opinion, that makes feel better about this person ? The law can saw whatever it want... It used to say that females and non-whites were property too and there was a lot of logical arguments for it... A fetus is still a person... And abortion is killing a person...
This circular argument doesn't work for you or anyone. No wonder pro-lifers get absolutely nowhere beyond "it's murder!" and can't make any solid arguments otherwise. This is your easy way out, to declare a non-viable tiny fetus (or embryo, even better, something the size of like my thumbnail) a person equal to a woman and deny her rights.

 
Old 06-13-2019, 12:12 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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Of course it has a legal opinion, that makes feel better about this person ? The law can saw whatever it want... It used to say that females and non-whites were property too and there was a lot of logical arguments for it... A fetus is still a person... And abortion is killing a person...
Wake up. You are all out WRONG! Once again, the voters of Mississippi and Colorado, who voted against the personhood amendment, would disagree with you. And the outcome of the votes weren't even close.
 
Old 06-13-2019, 12:12 PM
 
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If people just look the other way when the Nazis killed the Jews... Genocide in Africa and the Middle East... Or maybe the police would not answer anymore attempted murders then it will be okay with everyone's conscience.... Huh?
Your examples are of people who are already born. Not a pregnancy where the fetus is dependent on an individual woman. The comparison doesn’t wash
 
Old 06-13-2019, 12:13 PM
 
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For the same reason that societies as a whole are paying to cover the lost taxes from religious organizations who are tax exempt for everything they own from the church to the local liquor store (if applicable). How many groups from farmers to the rural poor are receiving help and were paying for it??

We all are paying for something and very often the same group that are trying to prevent the abortion option are the same groups who prevent sex education and free/reduced cost for protection methods to be obtained. Adoption is a great option for healthy Caucasian children but if the child is of mixed parentage or has some health concerns then the chances are they will become one of the 100k kids still in the system.
I don't think that religious organizations should be tax exempt. I don't like paying subsidies for any undeserving groups or individuals. I wish we could designate what our personal taxes would go for but in reality that's not going to happen.

I am pro-life but I have no problem with sex education. There should be charitable organizations providing free or reduced birth control methods. I don't believe that the taxpayer should have to pay for it.

Not true that only white babies/children are being adopted. In fact in today's world minority babies are considered desirable and exotic. Look how many celebrities adopt non-white children for example. Liberals in general favor minority children in their adoption tendencies.
 
Old 06-13-2019, 12:15 PM
 
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Your examples are of people who are already born. Not a pregnancy where the fetus is dependent on an individual woman. The comparison doesn’t wash
Being born is not a prerequisite for being a person... Being born is only process of growing up...
 
Old 06-13-2019, 12:15 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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Of course it has a legal opinion, that makes feel better about this person ? The law can saw whatever it want... It used to say that females and non-whites were property too and there was a lot of logical arguments for it... A fetus is still a person... And abortion is killing a person...
And taking a women's body autonomy away from her the second she becomes pregnant is making her the property of the government.

We are not going back to being property in any way, shape or form.
 
Old 06-13-2019, 12:15 PM
 
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Yep.

I see you live in Ohio. I’m sorry you have to deal with the fools wasting your tax dollars passing legislation that will never stand. Women should have the right to choose for whatever reason up until viability, but past that only if their life is at risk or the fetus is not viable.

The so called fetal “heartbeat” laws are crap. A 6 week old fetus has no working cardiovascular system. The “heartbeat” is a fetal pole “heartbeat” which is nothing more than electric activity. There’s no true heartbeat unless you subscribe to magical thinking.
To me the viability argument fails because it is dependent upon the current state of medicine. What was considered viable 50 years ago isn’t the same as today and medical advances will continue to lower the age of viability.
 
Old 06-13-2019, 12:16 PM
 
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Wake up. You are all out WRONG! Once again, the voters of Mississippi and Colorado, who voted against the personhood amendment, would disagree with you. And the outcome of the votes weren't even close.
Of course there are rules, laws, vote, etc... But to sum it all up, they don't matter because being a person doesn't require their approval....
 
Old 06-13-2019, 12:17 PM
 
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This circular argument doesn't work for you or anyone. No wonder pro-lifers get absolutely nowhere beyond "it's murder!" and can't make any solid arguments otherwise. This is your easy way out, to declare a non-viable tiny fetus (or embryo, even better, something the size of like my thumbnail) a person equal to a woman and deny her rights.
It's not a circular argument to prove it is a person... It is a person .. again, save the generalizations for the bigots .
 
Old 06-13-2019, 12:21 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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It isn't a game... A fetus is a person whether you like it or not.... There is no such thing as a half-person or a fake-person
There is such a thing as a potential person, whether you like it or not.

A woman is an actual person who gets to decide whether or not she wants to risk her health, her very life, to carry a pregnancy. If she decides she doesn't want to take that risk, potential doesn't get a vote.
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