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Old 06-22-2019, 01:05 PM
 
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What you're saying is that libertarians hold their views, based on propaganda by corporates - you need to go beyond just saying things, and show why that is so.

I think taking money off people, for services and a social order not wanted by the person, is a form of slavery, and the State will eventually use force if you don't comply with it's demands -the first statement can't be logically shown to be incorrect, and the second is self evident.

I'm saying that corporations have a heavily invested in convincing Americans to defund the government

That's because the government is the primary countervailing force against corporate tyranny

Libertarians are unwittingly handing our democratically-elected government over to the corporate monsters via privatization of government services

If the government doesn't demand taxation how will we pay for military police Fire EMS infrastructure and all the other critical government services?

You people don't want police???
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Old 06-22-2019, 01:07 PM
 
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Ask those on the libertarian spectrum, including the an-caps.
I did

they just prattle on about how taxation is slavery and is collected via a "gun to your head"
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Old 06-22-2019, 01:19 PM
 
Location: Madison, WI
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The people putting forward this absurd analogy would be the first to complain if the services funded by taxes were to cease.
A) The complaint is about having no choice over what services we get, and who we pay for them. Walmart can't force their products and services on you, outlaw competition, and claim you consent by living in a territory they say belongs to them.

B) Even if you believe taxes are necessary or justified, that doesn't mean a gun won't eventually be pulled on you if you continually refuse to comply. It's not absurd, and it's not even an analogy...if the demand wasn't backed by force, people could just ignore them. I would.
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Old 06-22-2019, 01:24 PM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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I'm saying that corporations have a heavily invested in convincing Americans to defund the government

That's because the government is the primary countervailing force against corporate tyranny

Libertarians are unwittingly handing our democratically-elected government over to the corporate monsters via privatization of government services

If the government doesn't demand taxation how will we pay for military police Fire EMS infrastructure and all the other critical government services?

You people don't want police???
If it's their ideology, why would they be acting unwittingly? - privatization of government services are part of libertarian thinking.

What makes you think I'm a Libertarian? -I just think being forced to handover money, with the threat of force as the bottom line, is a form of theft and slavery, and I don't believe I formed that view as a result of corporate propagnda.
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Old 06-22-2019, 01:25 PM
 
Location: Madison, WI
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If it's their ideology, why would they be acting unwittingly? - privatization of government services are part of libertarian thinking.

What makes you think I'm a Libertarian? -I just think being forced to handover money, with the threat of force as the bottom line, is a form of theft and slavery, and I don't believe I formed that view as a result of corporate propagnda.
That's their story, and they're sticking to it. It's all a big conspiracy, and anyone who disagrees is just brainwashed.
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Old 06-22-2019, 01:29 PM
 
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Same as any fight. If you think you can win, you can all stand and fight. If you think you have no chance, maybe you run.
Okay let's say there's 10 attackers and 10 able bodied men available to defend the village

my question is to you...

What would u do?
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Old 06-22-2019, 01:30 PM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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That's their story, and they're sticking to it. It's all a big conspiracy, and anyone who disagrees is just brainwashed.
Yes, I think the OP isn't the most worldly of people, and tends towards the black/white line of thinking.
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Old 06-22-2019, 01:32 PM
 
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If it's their ideology, why would they be acting unwittingly? - privatization of government services are part of libertarian thinking.

What makes you think I'm a Libertarian? -I just think being forced to handover money, with the threat of force as the bottom line, is a form of theft and slavery, and I don't believe I formed that view as a result of corporate propagnda.

Walks like a duck
Quacks like a duck
Mabee a teal...but likely a duck

You believe that Libertarians actually understand that they will be putting a handful of corporations in charge of the country instead of a democratically-elected government?
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Old 06-22-2019, 01:34 PM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA
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A) The complaint is about having no choice over what services we get, and who we pay for them. Walmart can't force their products and services on you, outlaw competition, and claim you consent by living in a territory they say belongs to them.

B) Even if you believe taxes are necessary or justified, that doesn't mean a gun won't eventually be pulled on you if you continually refuse to comply. It's not absurd, and it's not even an analogy...if the demand wasn't backed by force, people could just ignore them. I would.
That’s why taxes have to be compulsory. Relying on people just deciding to pay them would never work.
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Old 06-22-2019, 01:35 PM
 
Location: *
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