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Old 06-07-2018, 05:50 AM
 
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This statement drives me insane because its buying into the fake news propaganda. There is a huge massive and fundamental difference between take and give... if I take your car I've committed felony theft if you give me your car you did it of your own free will. Mexicans do not steal jobs it is impossible for someone to take/steal a job!

A position of employment must be given to you by an employer. You cannot take steel or abscond with a position of employment...Propagandists and all the most successful Liars know that a small Twist of the truth and word swapping is the most effective way to fool your audience. The simple swap of a very important fundamental term in this case steal/ take or give/ bestow is the fundamental difference in this propagandist argument. The propagandists want you to blame the foreign worker when you really should be focusing on the corrupt corporation and the lack of enforcement of current American law causing American jobs to bleed out of this country....that and of course the much vilified Free Trade Agreements are the reason that Americans are losing their quality of life not the presence of illegal labor forces.

I speak Spanish and have worked in the illegal labor trade when I was between jobs although I am a white male it was very easy for me to commiserate communicate and cooperate with these foreign illegal workers and understand their situation. Don't forget with exchange rates the small sums of money these people get paid can exponentially increase in their native country. I know of several cases where an industrial person worked hard and saved their money then retired to their home country with a king's Ransom and although I hate Steven Crowder...(speaking of propagandists) he has made a very good point in this video.

https://youtu.be/Lq4WBOkFNtE
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Old 06-07-2018, 06:31 AM
 
Location: Metro Washington DC
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I agree. They didn't steal the jobs. It is the employers who pay under the table, and sub-minimum wage, who are giving away the jobs.
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Old 06-07-2018, 06:48 AM
 
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Equally frustrating is the argument that Americans CANT or DONT WANT to do these jobs where a US citizen could not afford to do that kind of job whether they wanted to or not at that pay scale no matter what side of the political Spectrum you're on this is a knockout argument... Mexican labor is starting to organize more and more and they actually have the same attitude Americans do about the Central American labor forces coming up to undercut them lol classic
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Old 06-07-2018, 07:10 AM
 
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The bottom line is that businesses\corporations are using cheap illegal labor which is a huge contributor to blue collar wage stagnation in this country.

Then they spin any complaints about the abusive system as just being racist etc.

A pretty masterful con thru and thru.
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Old 06-07-2018, 07:18 AM
 
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Yeah you have to give it to them they've been very effective in their Hustle...

I worked as a ranger for a while and people kept asking me why nobody pulls over those busses full of illegal labor I really couldn't answer them honestly.
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Old 06-07-2018, 07:50 AM
 
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The bottom line is that both the employers and their illegal hires are equally guilty of breaking the law and stealing jobs from Americans. No one forces these illegals over the border to work here and they know what they are doing is wrong. Otherwise, it's claiming that only the bank robber is guilty but not the person driving the get-away car.


Why should Americans work for less than a fair wage to compete with illegal aliens who don't even have a right to be in our country? There is no job that an American won't do for a fair wage. Illegal aliens also send billions out of our country back to their homelands not spent in our economy while their employers pass their enormous social costs onto the taxpayer. There is no defense for having illegal aliens in our country.....none whatsoever! They have no right to a better life by breaking laws and taking from others what doesn't belong to them.
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Old 06-07-2018, 09:27 AM
 
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The bottom line is that both the employers and their illegal hires are equally guilty of breaking the law and stealing jobs from Americans. No one forces these illegals over the border to work here and they know what they are doing is wrong. Otherwise, it's claiming that only the bank robber is guilty but not the person driving the get-away car.


Why should Americans work for less than a fair wage to compete with illegal aliens who don't even have a right to be in our country? There is no job that an American won't do for a fair wage. Illegal aliens also send billions out of our country back to their homelands not spent in our economy while their employers pass their enormous social costs onto the taxpayer. There is no defense for having illegal aliens in our country.....none whatsoever! They have no right to a better life by breaking laws and taking from others what doesn't belong to them.
I understand your frustration, dont blame the people, blame the corporate agenda. Do you run around swatting flies or cover your food at the bbq. Stopping people from sneaking in the country for an opportunity is near unenforceable and will cost billions of dollars and damage our social fabric...stopping the corporate agenda is easy and simple you just have to have the balls to do it by identifying the corporate interests that hire these people. You can get rid of termites by burning down your house but it's not a good idea, there's a lot of ways to solve the problem pick the smart one. You will never be able to stop people from seeking opportunities it's kind of like the drug war completely unenforceable but very very fundable...that's the problem, they want your tax money to chase flies at the barbecue if you're dumb enough to pay them they'll be happy to chase the Flies. Meanwhile the Fat Cats sit back and bribe politicians to blame the illegals to distract the victems (americans) and count their profit while laughing all the way to the bank.
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Old 06-07-2018, 09:36 AM
 
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Yeah you have to give it to them they've been very effective in their Hustle...

I worked as a ranger for a while and people kept asking me why nobody pulls over those busses full of illegal labor I really couldn't answer them honestly.
Pull over a bus-load of illegals working at the Tyson chicken plant causing production problems and.....by lunch-time the company is going to be burning a hole in the ear of the governor, senator(s) etc.

By the next day, the commander in the area will have a size 11 up his backside and will make sure the rank and file don't do it again.
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Old 06-07-2018, 09:38 AM
 
Location: Central New Jersey
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Employers and corporations are the problem, not the illegals they hire.
Any way to save a buck they'll do
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Old 06-07-2018, 09:52 AM
 
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I understand your frustration, dont blame the people, blame the corporate agenda. Do you run around swatting flies or cover your food at the bbq. Stopping people from sneaking in the country for an opportunity is near unenforceable and will cost billions of dollars and damage our social fabric...stopping the corporate agenda is easy and simple you just have to have the balls to do it by identifying the corporate interests that hire these people. You can get rid of termites by burning down your house but it's not a good idea, there's a lot of ways to solve the problem pick the smart one. You will never be able to stop people from seeking opportunities it's kind of like the drug war completely unenforceable but very very fundable...that's the problem, they want your tax money to chase flies at the barbecue if you're dumb enough to pay them they'll be happy to chase the Flies. Meanwhile the Fat Cats sit back and bribe politicians to blame the illegals to distract the victems (americans) and count their profit while laughing all the way to the bank.

Again, the employers and the illegals themselves are equally to blame. No one forces illegal aliens to come here or to take jobs they know they aren't legally entitled to. They both need to be held accountable there is no innocent party here. Sorry, that you can't see that.
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