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View Poll Results: was it a mistake for Democrats to give Bill Clinton a pass?
yes, it was a mistake that continues to bite Dems in the posterior. 16 69.57%
No, it was properly and correctly handled. 2 8.70%
It was a no win situation, and it's time to move on, and reflect on the words of Time reporter Nina Burleigh. 3 13.04%
other (please explain below). 2 8.70%
Voters: 23. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 06-16-2019, 04:55 PM
 
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Bill Clinton was having an affair with a young intern in the oval office and then lied about it to the American people. In todays world he would have been strung up as a sexual predator like the gross Harvey Weinstein was for preying on women that are under him.



Trump was bragging about a "groupie" and he wasn't in office. We all know that there are women out there that will do anything to get close to a rich, powerful celebrity so should we really be surprised that Trump "caught" some of these women that threw themselves at him? Trumps only issue was that he bragged about it.



What Clinton did is much different than what Trump did and the reason that Trump won the election had nothing to do with Bill but everything to do with Hillary being a lousy candidate and in part Obama and his legacy.
I agree with every you said. Lol imagine that Clinton like Kennedy got away with acting badly because our society had not gone through the shift in attitudes that It recently has, in light of the Weinstein allegations.

Trump is as big a womanizer as either men previously mentioned however many Americans were more than fed up with politics as usual. Hillary was not well liked even by lots of dems. Trump won in spite and because of his crassness and ability to stir things up.

Hillary, Bill ,Trump and the rest of em are the last of the dinosaurs. There will come a time in the future where sexual harassment, on the job in any field won’t be tolerated.
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Old 06-16-2019, 05:01 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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The dems think it's fine for Bill Clinton to have an affair with an intern while in office. But, they get outraged when Trump has an affair with an adult film star and he wasn't in an elected position.
Hastert the house speaker that led the impeachment was molesting high school athletes Henry Hyde had numerous affairs, these were the congressmen that stood in judgement. Impeaching a president for lying under oath about a consensual affair would have been one for the record books. Let Trump step up to the microphone under oath like Clinton rather than mailing it in.
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Old 06-16-2019, 05:04 PM
 
Location: Honolulu/DMV Area/NYC
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Hastert the house speaker that led the impeachment was molesting high school athletes Henry Hyde had numerous affairs, these were the congressmen that stood in judgement. Impeaching a president for lying under oath about a consensual affair would have been one for the record books. Let Trump step up to the microphone under oath like Clinton rather than mailing it in.
1) That's exactly what happened. Bill Clinton was impeached by the US House of Representatives

2) The continued attempts to trivialize lying under oath/obstructing justice when you have sworn to uphold the law is sad

3) Whether Bill's relationship with Monica was consensual is not clear given the vast power difference between the two parties
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Old 06-16-2019, 05:13 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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1) That's exactly what happened. Bill Clinton was impeached by the US House of Representatives

2) The continued attempts to trivialize lying under oath/obstructing justice when you have sworn to uphold the law is sad

3) Whether Bill's relationship with Monica was consensual is not clear given the vast power difference between the two parties
It was consensual, cooler heads in the senate prevailed and saved them from a completely historic mistake. Tell me, was Clinton the only president that had an affair, how many others were impeached.
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Old 06-16-2019, 05:22 PM
 
Location: Honolulu/DMV Area/NYC
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It was consensual, cooler heads in the senate prevailed and saved them from a completely historic mistake. Tell me, was Clinton the only president that had an affair, how many others were impeached.
Consensual?

I could proposition my military subordinates, fresh out of boot camp and impressionable, looking to please a commissioned officer and fearful of adverse repercussions if they refuse. Consent in such a situation does not necessarily mean "consent," which is exactly why such relationships are mostly forbidden by policy or law. The "rank" imbalance between Bill Clinton and Monica Lewinsky is even greater than the example I provided.
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Old 06-16-2019, 06:35 PM
 
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Had the Republicans not impeached Clinton, the Democrats wouldn’t have rushed to his defense. The Republicans didn’t impeach anyone over Benghazi or Hillary’s emails, so it kpet hanging over their heads and the Democrats didn’t bother to construct a counter-narrative. The Republicans impeaching Clinton lead to the Democrats saying that the Republicans were petty and theocratic and whole thing went away. Don’t forget Gingrich’s hypocrisy.
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Old 06-16-2019, 07:51 PM
 
Location: NYC
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This is why any impeachment of Trump will end in more money wasted and becoming another side show while our government does nothing to fix out ailing infrastructure such as highways, rail, dams, and levees.

Towns are flooded because so many aging levees have not been repaired or new ones built. I'm tired of hearing some lame liberal cry climate change. Many of those levees were almost a hundred years old.

All the liberals do is use the same propaganda which is Russian Collusion which doesn't even hold water.

Putin, must be enjoying this free entertainment. He didn't have to do anything to America this is all self inflicted American politics at its finest.
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Old 06-16-2019, 08:19 PM
 
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The impeachment of Bill Clinton was nothing more than a right wing power grab. If you don't think so, go back and listen to the huge hypocrites Mitch McConnell and Lindsey (in the closet gay) Graham. They were all about being a "check on the president" back then. But are fine hiding the crimes of the ***** grabber in chief.

If AOC said that, she is wrong and she is still wet behind the ears and a bit gullible.
The impeachment was because Clinton lied under oath, not because what he did.

You do not get impeached for saying you had sex with a porn star, intern or whatever.
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Old 06-16-2019, 08:26 PM
 
Location: SE Asia
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It wasn't just "a BJ." This is a common mischaracterization about the Lewinsky affair. Apart from lying under oath and, thereby, actually obstructing justice (he lost his law license for this even if the Senate didn't remove him following impeachment). There was a severe power imbalance in this case, which raises questions of whether consent was actually there. This is why employer employee relationships are frowned down upon and forbidden in many cases (they were certainly forbidden in Bill's case).

And let's not forget about Paula Jones (Bill paid her almost $1 million to settle her sexual assault case) and Juanita B., who claims that Bill raped her.
Wait you can't do that. You can't point out how bad Bill was, not to the left. They will always mitigate it or deflect. Those women who accused Bill were tarred and feathered by theft and the media. Trashy women.

Hillary was among the worst and yet now she has the gall, the nerve, to say all women deserve to be believed. Yeah as long as it isn't a democrat that is being accused.

Look how flock to defend Joe Biden. Not so long after they attacked Kavanaugh on nothing more than weak here say. The best you will ever get from hardliners on the left is silence when it is one of their own.

The right isn't much better if at all.
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Old 06-17-2019, 06:50 AM
 
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Married men having affairs with female employees is a story as old as time. Good luck using laws and PC to stop that. It's no one's business as long as it is consensual, and arguing it cannot be consensual equates the employee to someone unable to give consent like a mentally incompetent person or a child.

Now even single men can't date woman at work. lol.
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