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Old 06-17-2019, 08:09 AM
 
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Cut military and eliminate the tax-free status of churches and other religious institutions.
That doesn't raise a penny. They are not taxed because they are non profit.
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Old 06-17-2019, 08:19 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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eliminate the tax-free status of churches and other religious institutions.

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and the tax free status of unions, the dnc/rnc, etc also??
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Old 06-17-2019, 08:26 AM
 
Location: NC
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The exporting country pays in lost sales, lost jobs and a damaged economy.

American consumers can avoid paying a dime on tariffs by not buying anything from those countries.


That's the whole idea behind tariffs.

The country that is better equipped to withstand the economic effects wins.

Which is why Mexico caved so quickly.
This totally ignores the benefits of a free market. American consumers would have been buying from another country already if it was our best deal.

So now, we either pay another country a higher price (and avoid paying tariffs, but still pay more), or the consumer pays the tariff in the form of pass through expense.

One part you got right was that US exporters are paying in lost sales. The Tariffs that we imposed are costing our farmers and manufactures. The ones that we get back in retaliation (from China, etc.) are costing the US Consumer.

...and Mexico didn't cave. Mexico agreed to something that they were already doing a little bit, and likely won't do any more. They don't have resources to completely block all their borders, but they can say "yeah, we'll do better". Trump won't call them out on the fact that they won't improve much, because if he does, it would be like admitting he got conned. Conmen never like to admit being conned.
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Old 06-17-2019, 08:27 AM
 
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to fund free healthcare and college, taxes would have to drastically go up on the middle class. Forget about the line "make the rich pay for it". There are not enough of the 1% to fund everything free for the 99%.



So...what beloved social programs would you be willing to cut to fund free health care and college?
War.
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Old 06-17-2019, 08:35 AM
 
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For one we could start by cutting all the waste. We throw away money. Then we could cut all the programs like the VA, Planned Parenthood, and Welfare based healthcare because everyone will be covered under a blanket healthcare system.

Another thing would be switching to a nonprofit system. We waste a lot on the middle man and have no regulations like other countries do. Why is it ok to pay 30 bucks for a box of tissue at the hospital? It's not super tissue.

We could end up having healthcare for all and pay a lot less than we do right now.
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Old 06-17-2019, 08:46 AM
 
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War.
Well, sometimes there is no choice in that one.
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Old 06-17-2019, 08:48 AM
 
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Well, sometimes there is no choice in that one.
That hasn't been the case in a long time.
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Old 06-17-2019, 08:57 AM
 
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Why do other social programs need to be cut?

Why not slash the military budget drastically and implement a 5% federal sales tax and a small additional payroll tax?

We already pay more in taxes for health care most other countries pay in taxes for their national health care systems. But unlike other countries, we also pay sky high private premiums, co-pays and deductibles. That's how inefficient and corrupt our system is. There's lots of room for savings.
This poster used three sentences to say "none".
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Old 06-17-2019, 08:58 AM
 
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to fund free healthcare and college, taxes would have to drastically go up on the middle class. Forget about the line "make the rich pay for it". There are not enough of the 1% to fund everything free for the 99%.

So...what beloved social programs would you be willing to cut to fund free health care and college?
First, I think you underestimate the amount of wealth transferred to the rich directly and indirectly.

For starters, we could pull all military contracts with second party contractors and stop protecting the private interests of multi-national corporations. We could cut the life-time benefits for elected officials that leave office. We could cut any benefits to elected officials that have profited from their time in office.

We could start prosecuting those that cheat on their taxes, collect all back taxes and compound interest on those funds and levy an additional tax on convicted tax frauds for their lifetime of earnings.

We could start setting tariffs on any foreign based corporation competing with American based companies.

We could start charging farmers, ranchers, miners, and corporations the fair market value for the resources they obtain from public lands.

We could start charging corporations for using foreign workers (and remove their tax breaks), and put those funds to American student college tuitions and associated costs (books, etc.).

I am guessing by the time we've done theses things we would have a surplus, but check back then and I am sure I can come up with some more ideas.
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Old 06-17-2019, 08:59 AM
 
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Why do other social programs need to be cut?

Why not slash the military budget drastically and implement a 5% federal sales tax and a small additional payroll tax?

We already pay more in taxes for health care most other countries pay in taxes for their national health care systems. But unlike other countries, we also pay sky high private premiums, co-pays and deductibles. That's how inefficient and corrupt our system is. There's lots of room for savings.
Slash the military...Who is going to defend us? People like you?

Our health care system... certainly not perfect, but you do not have to wait 4 months to get an MRI for suspected cancer. (A Canadian friend went through this within the past year).

[quote=nedergras;55444048]Let's get rid of the EPA, that's a social program that sends more jobs to cheaper places than it helps bring in. NTSB, we don't need that either. FDA makes our medicine expensive as hell, so get rid of that too. ATF? Do we really need them these days? Definitely don't need the CDC intruding in our lives, chopping block for them too.[/QUOTE

This qualifies for most delusional post status.
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