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Old 06-27-2019, 08:39 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Here's article on opinion: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...csp=chromepush

By ruling that the US Constitution does not allow federal courts to hear partisan gerrymandering cases, the Court has, in effect, upheld partisan gerrymandering, though to be clear there is no right to partisan gerrymandering. The rest is semantics



There is no place in the US Constitution, for the federal government to be involved in internal State issues.
It was the correct ruling.
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Old 06-27-2019, 08:40 AM
 
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We already debunked the "one party does it" meme a long time ago.

Maryland and Illinois (in Chicago) are just two hillarious examples.

I oppose ALL gerrymandering, but we have some frankly un-American people that not only embrace it they want to take it a step further by curtailing it only for their political rivals.
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Old 06-27-2019, 08:41 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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You are not correct on that. In fact you are simply making up nonsense based on assumption and posting it as fact.

That snake district was court ordered to be created to insure that an African American wins the seat. It doesn't exist now, but that WAS District 12 in NC. It was drawn that way to put enough Blacks in one district to make it possible. It snaked along I-85 and linked up all the Black neighborhoods in Charlotte & Greensboro which are more than 90 miles from each other. During this time the District was represented by Mel Watt, a member of the Congressional Black Caucus.

District 12 has since be redrawn again to create an African American district, and in the process of doing that, created the mess that surrounds District 9. My house has not moved, but it has been in both districts. Today that district is still represented by a member of the Congressional Black Caucus. It otherwise would not be so, without the necessary gerrymandering to make it possible.
I am with you. I believe Gerrymandering is wrong, just wrong!
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Old 06-27-2019, 08:44 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Won't end being shifted around for ya. If the GOP pollsters determine that in order for your district to vote in a Republican, the district has to be shaped like a snake, and you are at the tail of that snake, you may have to drive many miles to vote!

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America's most gerrymandered congressional districts
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If you ask me, and you didn't.
Districts should run along county lines, and or natural land marks.
Forget this trying to figure out who is likely to vote one way or another. We end up getting someone representing us, that is almost 800 miles away from the issues locally.
The lines they have in and around Austin, look like a pinwheel, and only modified very little since the Democrats ruled the south and created them.
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Old 06-27-2019, 08:44 AM
 
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There is no place in the US Constitution, for the federal government to be involved in internal State issues.
It was the correct ruling.
I agree, though to be clear I think the Supreme Court's decision would allow for either Congress or the states to legislate on the issue; its only that federal courts can't get involved in what is a political question! What gets me are the activist judges who were flouting Supreme Court rulings earlier on when they would strike down these partisan gerrymanders.

There is a legitimate debate over the appropriateness of partisan gerrymandering. But this is an issue best left with the people and their representatives.
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Old 06-27-2019, 08:45 AM
 
Location: NC
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You are not correct on that. In fact you are simply making up nonsense based on assumption and posting it as fact.

That snake district was court ordered to be created to insure that an African American wins the seat. It doesn't exist now, but that WAS District 12 in NC. It was drawn that way to put enough Blacks in one district to make it possible. It snaked along I-85 and linked up all the Black neighborhoods in Charlotte & Greensboro which are more than 90 miles from each other. During this time the District was represented by Mel Watt, a member of the Congressional Black Caucus.

District 12 has since been redrawn again to create another African American district because the above was found to be unconstitutional. In the process of doing that, created the mess that surrounds District 9. My house has not moved, but it has been in both districts. Today that district is still represented by a member of the Congressional Black Caucus. It otherwise would not be so, without the necessary gerrymandering to make it possible.
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Old 06-27-2019, 08:45 AM
 
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Not again Republicans show their true colors the only way they can win is by cheating. They know fair elections mean Democrats win 85% to 90% of the time. Mcconnell and Trump have done a lot of damage that will take 50 years to recover from they both need to go ASAP
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Old 06-27-2019, 08:46 AM
 
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I agree, though to be clear I think the Supreme Court's decision would allow for either Congress or the states to legislate on the issue; its only that federal courts can't get involved in what is a political question! What gets me are the activist judges who were flouting Supreme Court rulings earlier on when they would strike down these partisan gerrymanders.

There is a legitimate debate over the appropriateness of partisan gerrymandering. But this is an issue best left with the people and their representatives.

Actually the decision seems to remove the ability of Congress to make legislation on the issue. Congress can't override the 10th Amendment. And the court clearly stated that it's a 10th Amendment issue.
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Old 06-27-2019, 08:47 AM
 
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If you ask me, and you didn't.
Districts should run along county lines, and or natural land marks.
Forget this trying to figure out who is likely to vote one way or another. We end up getting someone representing us, that is almost 800 miles away from the issues locally.
The lines they have in and around Austin, look like a pinwheel, and only modified very little since the Democrats ruled the south and created them.
I am in 100% agreement!
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Old 06-27-2019, 08:51 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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I agree, though to be clear I think the Supreme Court's decision would allow for either Congress or the states to legislate on the issue; its only that federal courts can't get involved in what is a political question! What gets me are the activist judges who were flouting Supreme Court rulings earlier on when they would strike down these partisan gerrymanders.

There is a legitimate debate over the appropriateness of partisan gerrymandering. But this is an issue best left with the people and their representatives.



Not congress, unless it is an amendment to give the federal government any authority about it. Any legislation would be unconstitutional, with this ruling.
This is a State legislature thing and political lines are unprotected by federal involvement, unlike racial lines, where the supreme court would have been all over it.
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