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This is a phenomenon that has been going on for literally centuries, if not millennia.
Even back in Roman times people observed that the poor had more kids than the rich.
Basically the case. The poor have often had more kids than the rich. One major exception would be Utah. It's not a poor state, but the Mormon church encourages large families.
If sex occurs in a non-committed, casual relationship that's not love. Are they too stupid not to realize that?Abortion is not all but banned and it's not a form of birth control anyway. Are they too stupid to seek free or low cost contraceptives? Perhaps sterilization should be mandated with these constant welfare using mom's and dads.
Something needs to be done other than what we are doing which is only encouraging more births from those who are in poverty and have no means to support their kids and provide a good life for them which would result in their lives being successful rather than repeating this poverty generation after generation at the taxpayer's expense.
Middle class women have sex in non-committed, casual relationships that aren't love. That's not the purpose of this thread...just to trash on women for doing what nature does.
Contraceptives are not free. Planned Parenthood used to be more helpful in this area, but with funding cuts, not to the extent it used to be. The contraceptives cost money. Poor women have to have the money to buy contraceptives regularly & consistently. For those who work, companies are allowed to opt out of providing birth control coverage, for religious reasons. Medicaid, the health care for those in poverty, provides some sort of assistance for certain types....it seems to vary. THAT WAS MY POINT. Poor people have much more difficulty regularly & consistently being able to get birth control, compared to people with money.
Also, as I mentioned, there are mental issues involved. Some people are poor because they have emotional or mental issues, as their parents did. They aren't equipped to handle life's challenges in the same way as well adjusted people. For instance, a neglected child growing up is more apt to want a child subconsciously. Someone to love her unconditionally. This is a big factor, IMO, because I've run across it. So birth control isn't the issue with her.
There is more drug use among the poor. Drug use affects other types of behavior, of course. Birth control isn't the issue in these cases, either.
When you're talking about out of wedlock births or abortion among the poor, you might as well talk about alcoholism, drug use, crime, emotional and mental issues, etc. Since they are all connected.
But I, for one, don't condemn anyone for having sex, since that is part of nature, and most people do.
Women have been getting pregnant since the beginning of humans, and will continue to do so. Try as we might to fight nature, most can't fight it 100% of the time. Because it's part of our nature. The world is overpopulated, and climate change is upon us. We still continue to add more people to the world, a world that increasingly can't sustain the humans in it. But that's what humans do, I guess.
I don't get the mindset of having children when you can't afford them, I can't relate at all.
Yet the poorest people from countries with no semblance have the highest birth rates, while the birth rates the richest countries with safety nets continue to decline.
Iceland, with a Nordic safety net, leads the world in terms of lowest birth rate and highest out of wedlock rate.
Seems like alot of poor, single females are going from relationship to relationship having a baby as a trophy for each man and expecting hard-working Americans to pay every single penny for their massive housing vouchers, free utility bills, four-digit monthly food debit cards and respite daycare if they decide to make the welfare office happy by working in hour or two once in a while.
Sort of will be a crisis before long and will impact alot of different things next generation. There basically is huge segment of millennial women out there who are in poverty having baby after baby when they can't take of themselves and are clueless on how to raise a child even with a welfare bonanza from confiscated tax dollars.
The birth rates among poor women are absolutely stunning and I guarantee that it's going to have implications in 20 years when you have a tremendous amount of children growing up in absolutely horrid upbringings and then there is a large segment of middle and upper-middle class who skipped out on having children who have much more potential on average and would likely pay much more in taxes for the massive rise in retirees.
I admit it's a few years old but it's just incredible how millions and millions and millions of poor women babies each decade, one after another when they don't have the ability to take of themselves.
It's amazing how very low the birth rate has become for successful women who put in an honest 40 hours as opposed to those in poverty.
Not a peep about males who bounce woman to woman and engage in unprotected sex with no intention of taking responsibility for the outcome. It tales a male and female to engage in unprotected sex to produce a baby, yet you seem to ignore the male’s role.
It’s incredible how millions and millions and million of poor MALE impregnate poor women each decade, one after another, when they don’t have the intention, let alone the ability to take care of their responsibility.
Basically the case. The poor have often had more kids than the rich. One major exception would be Utah. It's not a poor state, but the Mormon church encourages large families.
Reportedly the highest birth rate in the world is happening in Lakeland, NJ, an orthodox Hasidic community where it is common for a woman to have 10 children by the time she is 40.
Kiryas Joel, NY, another orthodox Hasidic community has the highest rate of poverty/ welfare in the US.
Israel has similar challenges.
Despite poverty, crime is non- existent, except for welfare fraud. There are no drugs, alcohol, gangs or out of wedlock births.
At least they are having (future tax payers) babies ... as opposed to those who decided they could not afford them. The government should be pleased ... Honestly if money is the reason to have a baby ... just stop.
"There is a real crisis in the fertility rate which has fallen to such a low level that all the socialism going forward will simply collapse. What used to be the Baby Boom is now being called the “Baby Bust,” which means that in all first-world countries there is a real crisis for they have insufficient children to maintain their population size. This has been one excuse for allowing the refugees into Europe. As the population dwindles, all the social programs are collapsing for they were NEVER designed properly from the outset. They are based on a Ponzi scheme where they rely on taxing a growing younger population to service the benefits of the older generation. This was the entire scheme behind Obamacare. Force the youth to buy insurance they do not need to reduce the cost for the elderly."
^^^^^^^^^ This!
Success, in nature, is defined in turns of reproduction numbers. Often time a species needs to reproduce often when life expectancy is short, to ensure the propagation of the species/bloodline. Hence, biologically there is a tendency to reproduce more the greater the threat of low life expectancy. It seems counter intuitive, but no more so than charging people who have trouble paying their bills higher interest rates. Would not the higher monthly cost, due to the higher interest rate, make them even more likely not to be able to pay it? Ergo, if adults are having trouble surviving, would not more mouths to feed make it even less likely that people survive?
Nature knows best, even though we think we know better. Propagation of the species/bloodline is the prime directive. Whatever the existential threat is, nature seems to believe that if you produce enough offspring that one of those offspring will have a mutation that allows the bloodline/species to adapt and overcome the threat. The truth is, it really makes sense, biologically, for the poor to have more children than the rich because the life expectancy of the poor is usually lower than that of the rich. Any species that has a really long life expectancy tends to have a low birth rate and species that have low life expectancy have high birth rates.
I think the fertility rate of the poor is not alarming, biologically. I think the WARNING are with those groups and demographics where the fertility rate has fallen below the replacement rate of 2.1 births. Groups that have fallen below replacement are "Sick" biologically. Something is out of order. Extinction will be the result of the trend if it continues. Hence, its not the behavior of the poor that we need to be looking at for correction.....but rather, the behavior of the demographics that have been below the replacement rate for sometime.
Reportedly the highest birth rate in the world is happening in Lakeland, NJ, an orthodox Hasidic community where it is common for a woman to have 10 children by the time she is 40.
Kiryas Joel, NY, another orthodox Hasidic community has the highest rate of poverty/ welfare in the US.
Israel has similar challenges.
Despite poverty, crime is non- existent, except for welfare fraud. There are no drugs, alcohol, gangs or out of wedlock births.
It is a Hasidic community. It is a religious community with alot of rules that govern how things work. This keeps most of the crime low. Welfare fraud might be a big issue there. However, I seldom hear anyone make a fuss about it. When it comes to welfare, most people envision poor Blacks and poor Hispanics using it.
Middle class women have sex in non-committed, casual relationships that aren't love. That's not the purpose of this thread...just to trash on women for doing what nature does.
Contraceptives are not free. Planned Parenthood used to be more helpful in this area, but with funding cuts, not to the extent it used to be. The contraceptives cost money. Poor women have to have the money to buy contraceptives regularly & consistently. For those who work, companies are allowed to opt out of providing birth control coverage, for religious reasons. Medicaid, the health care for those in poverty, provides some sort of assistance for certain types....it seems to vary. THAT WAS MY POINT. Poor people have much more difficulty regularly & consistently being able to get birth control, compared to people with money.
And yet they have money for recreational drugs. Go figure.
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Also, as I mentioned, there are mental issues involved. Some people are poor because they have emotional or mental issues, as their parents did. They aren't equipped to handle life's challenges in the same way as well adjusted people. For instance, a neglected child growing up is more apt to want a child subconsciously. Someone to love her unconditionally. This is a big factor, IMO, because I've run across it. So birth control isn't the issue with her.
This is just the kind of person who should not be having children.
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There is more drug use among the poor. Drug use affects other types of behavior, of course. Birth control isn't the issue in these cases, either.
These people should be having children? </sarcasm>
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When you're talking about out of wedlock births or abortion among the poor, you might as well talk about alcoholism, drug use, crime, emotional and mental issues, etc. Since they are all connected.
But I, for one, don't condemn anyone for having sex, since that is part of nature, and most people do.
People are a step or two above animals. A dog can't control his tail's wagging. Even a dog, however, can control where it does its "business." Should we not expect more from people than from a pooch?
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Women have been getting pregnant since the beginning of humans, and will continue to do so. Try as we might to fight nature, most can't fight it 100% of the time. Because it's part of our nature. The world is overpopulated, and climate change is upon us. We still continue to add more people to the world, a world that increasingly can't sustain the humans in it. But that's what humans do, I guess.
Again, if we live in organized societies we can control what we subsidize. If these people who have children and clearly can't afford any more, what's wrong with tying the Fallopian tubes? And if we can find the sperm donors and they've donated to enough people out of wedlock, how about vasectomies for them?
Seems like alot of poor, single females are going from relationship to relationship having a baby as a trophy for each man and expecting hard-working Americans to pay every single penny for their massive housing vouchers, free utility bills, four-digit monthly food debit cards and respite daycare if they decide to make the welfare office happy by working in hour or two once in a while.
Sort of will be a crisis before long and will impact alot of different things next generation. There basically is huge segment of millennial women out there who are in poverty having baby after baby when they can't take of themselves and are clueless on how to raise a child even with a welfare bonanza from confiscated tax dollars.
The birth rates among poor women are absolutely stunning and I guarantee that it's going to have implications in 20 years when you have a tremendous amount of children growing up in absolutely horrid upbringings and then there is a large segment of middle and upper-middle class who skipped out on having children who have much more potential on average and would likely pay much more in taxes for the massive rise in retirees.
I admit it's a few years old but it's just incredible how millions and millions and millions of poor women babies each decade, one after another when they don't have the ability to take of themselves.
It's amazing how very low the birth rate has become for successful women who put in an honest 40 hours as opposed to those in poverty.
It is your assumption they have too many babies in purpose.
The question is how to reduce the number of unwanted pregnancies. Some countries have had way more success then US, and we would do well to learn from their approach. Unfortunately, the trend in US is to make the situation even worse by closing down family planning clinics. It's almost as if people insist on making things worse so they'd have something to complain about.
People complain when women choose to not have a baby and abort it, and they complain even louder when the woman chooses to have the baby, and then they close down family planning clinics so women have less contraceptives and more babies.
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