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Old 09-26-2019, 08:11 PM
 
Location: Clyde Hill, WA
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I'm racking my brain to figure out how this is a 'media' thread. It's about political economy--socialism, social democracy, and capitalism. Guess there are kinks to be worked out in this new forum.
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Old 09-27-2019, 11:06 AM
 
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The term 'socialism' is perhaps the most ambiguous term out there with the exception of 'fascism'.

Socialism means the collective ownership of property and means of production. This can come in many forms, including at the most basic level, coops or communes, but most often refers to state ownership and state planning and management of the economy by bureaucrats.

It is often thought that European countries such as the Scandinavian countries are socialist, when in fact they are capitalist with a highly developed welfare protection system. Countries such as Sweden have overwhelmingly private ownership of the means of production - i.e. factories, private banking and lending, private construction of housing, private companies, firms and small businesses, and so on. It is not a socialist country.

Again, socialism refers to the ownership of property. Paying taxes for highways, libraries, social security, health insurance, etc are not socialist principles, but a part of the caplitalist welfare state system.
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Old 09-28-2019, 03:44 PM
 
Location: Clyde Hill, WA
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The term 'socialism' is perhaps the most ambiguous term out there with the exception of 'fascism'.

Socialism means the collective ownership of property and means of production. This can come in many forms, including at the most basic level, coops or communes, but most often refers to state ownership and state planning and management of the economy by bureaucrats.

It is often thought that European countries such as the Scandinavian countries are socialist, when in fact they are capitalist with a highly developed welfare protection system. Countries such as Sweden have overwhelmingly private ownership of the means of production - i.e. factories, private banking and lending, private construction of housing, private companies, firms and small businesses, and so on. It is not a socialist country.

Again, socialism refers to the ownership of property. Paying taxes for highways, libraries, social security, health insurance, etc are not socialist principles, but a part of the caplitalist welfare state system.
I have to disagree with your definition, although I would admit it's a quibble. Socialism is collective ownership of the means of production (factories, farms, warehouses, stores, etc--anything that contributes to getting the product to the end-user).

Communism is collective ownership of everything--no private property whatsoever. All is owned by (in practice) gov't.
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