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Old 09-07-2019, 09:51 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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Democrats want to cover nearly 90 million from birth to 23 years old with one expensive "education" scheme after another. There will be 78 million people on retirement programs with SS, Medicare, state or local pensions.

In 2030, with the aging of the population and the millennials children being covered with free childcare, free K-12 and then free college there will be up to 168 million on one expensive scheme or another, the issue is that there will be around 355 million people.

78 million Americans in 2030 will Medicare aged, OASDI, government pensions

76.7 million children a vast majority in public schools and some Democrats want free child care for birth to 5 years old.

13.7 million in public colleges which Bernie Sanders want to make free
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Old 09-07-2019, 09:53 AM
 
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We may have to start taxing the wealthy again. Oh the humanity!
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Old 09-07-2019, 10:10 AM
 
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We may have to start taxing the wealthy again. Oh the humanity!

What a joke that is. If you took everything the wealthy in America had, all 100%, you couldn't fund America for a year. We don't need to tax anyone more. We need to spend less. That starts by ending this insane idea we should give everyone free stuff. There is no constitutional right to getting free education, healthcare, food or anything else. While helping the needy may be virtuous, it doesn't alleviate poverty.

In addition we need to find a way to incentivize people to have smaller families if they can not afford to care for large families without government assistance. The world including the USA is over populated. I don't believe in communist style rules like one child per family. But I believe our system should give tax incentives for having small families, not large ones.

We need to stop the flow of money from producers to non producers, and this should start with our government. The biggest drain on our economy is the government. Every penny they spend was taken from taxpayers. The system is so bloated with waste and corruption, I would bet it spends at minimum twice what it would have to if it were run properly. And they want control of more, like health care and energy.

I am so tired of this, tax the rich mantra. It is not only not going to happen, but even if it did, it wouldn't work. The rich would simply flee the country. They can afford to leave anytime they want. And even if you seized all their money, it wouldn't do anything to save our economy. That money would be gone in less than a year, and the jobs the wealthy create would be gone with it. Then the only ones left would be the middle class and poor. Then the middle class become poor and the poor become the starving.
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Old 09-07-2019, 10:42 AM
 
Location: Cape Cod
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It will collapse if the ridiculous spending that the Democrat candidates are proposing ever gets implemented. Who but a politician can think it is a good idea to give away everything for Free while taxing the rest of us to pay for it?



There are people that really need public assistance to get by but there are also many that do not need it while others that are simply scamming the system. The Democrats don't seem to care about the waste in these systems often citing that it will cost more to stop it than to just keep handing it out. Florida tried tying welfare to drug testing and that was a big disaster.



We need to get spending under control and cut out the waste or America will collapse into a dystopian society where there are those at the top living the high life of luxury and then the rest of us living like we are in a post apocalyptic movie.
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Old 09-07-2019, 10:55 AM
 
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What a joke that is. If you took everything the wealthy in America had, all 100%, you couldn't fund America for a year. We don't need to tax anyone more. We need to spend less. That starts by ending this insane idea we should give everyone free stuff. There is no constitutional right to getting free education, healthcare, food or anything else. While helping the needy may be virtuous, it doesn't alleviate poverty.

In addition we need to find a way to incentivize people to have smaller families if they can not afford to care for large families without government assistance. The world including the USA is over populated. I don't believe in communist style rules like one child per family. But I believe our system should give tax incentives for having small families, not large ones.

We need to stop the flow of money from producers to non producers, and this should start with our government. The biggest drain on our economy is the government. Every penny they spend was taken from taxpayers. The system is so bloated with waste and corruption, I would bet it spends at minimum twice what it would have to if it were run properly. And they want control of more, like health care and energy.

I am so tired of this, tax the rich mantra. It is not only not going to happen, but even if it did, it wouldn't work. The rich would simply flee the country. They can afford to leave anytime they want. And even if you seized all their money, it wouldn't do anything to save our economy. That money would be gone in less than a year, and the jobs the wealthy create would be gone with it. Then the only ones left would be the middle class and poor. Then the middle class become poor and the poor become the starving.
Where would the rich flee to and not pay taxes? Somalia or perhaps Botswana?
Should all of the free stuff end today the GOP would never win another election. Their base receives the bulk of the free stuff.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...curity/516861/
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Old 09-07-2019, 11:09 AM
 
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What a joke that is. If you took everything the wealthy in America had, all 100%, you couldn't fund America for a year. We don't need to tax anyone more. We need to spend less. That starts by ending this insane idea we should give everyone free stuff. There is no constitutional right to getting free education, healthcare, food or anything else. While helping the needy may be virtuous, it doesn't alleviate poverty.

In addition we need to find a way to incentivize people to have smaller families if they can not afford to care for large families without government assistance. The world including the USA is over populated. I don't believe in communist style rules like one child per family. But I believe our system should give tax incentives for having small families, not large ones.

We need to stop the flow of money from producers to non producers, and this should start with our government. The biggest drain on our economy is the government. Every penny they spend was taken from taxpayers. The system is so bloated with waste and corruption, I would bet it spends at minimum twice what it would have to if it were run properly. And they want control of more, like health care and energy.

I am so tired of this, tax the rich mantra. It is not only not going to happen, but even if it did, it wouldn't work. The rich would simply flee the country. They can afford to leave anytime they want. And even if you seized all their money, it wouldn't do anything to save our economy. That money would be gone in less than a year, and the jobs the wealthy create would be gone with it. Then the only ones left would be the middle class and poor. Then the middle class become poor and the poor become the starving.
Im not saying all rich people, but I can see why people are enticed. The rich are seen as controlling everything and can get away with just about everything.

In the eyes of a poor person its like “whats the big deal? Your still rich in the end..”
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Old 09-07-2019, 11:12 AM
 
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What a joke that is. If you took everything the wealthy in America had, all 100%, you couldn't fund America for a year. We don't need to tax anyone more. We need to spend less. That starts by ending this insane idea we should give everyone free stuff. There is no constitutional right to getting free education, healthcare, food or anything else. While helping the needy may be virtuous, it doesn't alleviate poverty.

In addition we need to find a way to incentivize people to have smaller families if they can not afford to care for large families without government assistance. The world including the USA is over populated. I don't believe in communist style rules like one child per family. But I believe our system should give tax incentives for having small families, not large ones.

We need to stop the flow of money from producers to non producers, and this should start with our government. The biggest drain on our economy is the government. Every penny they spend was taken from taxpayers. The system is so bloated with waste and corruption, I would bet it spends at minimum twice what it would have to if it were run properly. And they want control of more, like health care and energy.

I am so tired of this, tax the rich mantra. It is not only not going to happen, but even if it did, it wouldn't work. The rich would simply flee the country. They can afford to leave anytime they want. And even if you seized all their money, it wouldn't do anything to save our economy. That money would be gone in less than a year, and the jobs the wealthy create would be gone with it. Then the only ones left would be the middle class and poor. Then the middle class become poor and the poor become the starving.
Just a simple question to you:

Currently, a person who is born disabled and cant work get a maximum of $700 a month to survive on, most of the time significantly less than that. Do you support cutting this further or do you think it is a disgrace that the disabled have to live in dire poverty to survive?
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Old 09-07-2019, 11:34 AM
 
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I have encountered several “disabled” people in my life mooching off SSDI.

From the best I could tell, they were all capable of working, I knew for a fact that one of them was working a side job making cash under the table and a level 7 TDS Democrat.
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Old 09-07-2019, 11:36 AM
 
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I have encountered several “disabled” people in my life mooching off SSDI.

From the best I could tell, they were all capable of working, I knew for a fact that one of them was working a side job making cash under the table and a level 7 TDS Democrat.
This guy met all disable people by meeting a few “disabled” people.

Case closed.
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Old 09-07-2019, 11:42 AM
 
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This guy met all disable people by meeting a few “disabled” people.

Case closed.
I would love to know what percentage of SSDI recipients have a history of obesity or drug abuse. It has to be incredibly high. These slobs shouldn’t be stealing from the productive individuals who are funding the system.
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