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Old 09-12-2019, 04:24 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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"Vaccines have saved tens of millions of lives but immunization rates have stagnated in recent years due in part to fake news stories claiming vaccinations can cause measles, autism or sterility. . . Measles outbreaks are occurring worldwide, in countries rich and poor. More than 360,000 cases have been reported since January, the highest figures since 2006, said the WHO. . . There were 90,000 cases reported in Europe during the first six months of 2019, more than double the number from the same period last year."
https://news.abs-cbn.com/spotlight/0...d-consequences

There is vaccine mistrust mostly in wealthy countries. In France, for example 1 in 3 people are not sure vaccines work. Vaccines are also to a certain extent victims of their own success. As vaccine-preventable diseases have declined, people, especially parents focus more on the rare side effects. People over-estimate the risk of vaccines and underestimate the risks from the diseases.

 
Old 09-13-2019, 08:36 AM
 
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People in wealthy countries tend to be educated.

They do their own research and come to their own conclusions.

Is that still allowed?

I think the real question is: Why is there so much fear of people who make their own individual choices?

I certainly do not care if people get vaccinated or not. It's their choice. I don't get to make decisions FOR them.
 
Old 09-13-2019, 08:38 AM
 
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Is this a great debate question?
 
Old 09-13-2019, 10:53 AM
 
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People in wealthy countries tend to be educated.

They do their own research and come to their own conclusions.

Is that still allowed?

I think the real question is: Why is there so much fear of people who make their own individual choices?

I certainly do not care if people get vaccinated or not. It's their choice. I don't get to make decisions FOR them.
Why so much fear? Idk, because we don’t want a pandemic?
 
Old 09-13-2019, 10:54 AM
 
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If the problem is trust then we need to be able to trust the pharmaceutical industry as a whole and that’s not easy to do considering some of the things that they have done over the years. We need to ensure that conflicts of interest do not exist at the FDA and CDC. We need to ensure that lawmakers are not receiving financial incentives in the form of $$$ from pharmaceutical lobbies. We also need independent research and put an end to industry funded studies. In addition, we need to listen to parents who have reported that their kids were vaccine injured instead of just brushing them off and assuming that whatever injury they suffered was a coincidence.

If trust is the issue then trust is what needs to be rebuilt. Telling people that they are stupid, ignorant, etc. or labeling them as “anti-vaxxers” for declining any vaccines is not going to change anything. Building trust by being trustworthy, putting an end to conflicts of interest and active listening would go a long way.

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Old 09-13-2019, 11:03 AM
 
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Why so much fear? Idk, because we don’t want a pandemic?
If you have your vaccine, why do you care what other choices other people make?
 
Old 09-13-2019, 11:08 AM
 
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If you have your vaccine, why do you care what other choices other people make?
I've always wondered that.
 
Old 09-13-2019, 11:08 AM
 
Location: colorado springs, CO
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Parents continue to lose trust because babies are continuing to die in their communities after receiving vaccines.

Not: 'Dying during infancy as coincidental to vaccines given in infancy' but as in: Dying within 48 hours of being vaccinated. There is no amount of social-media or mass-media censorship that can stop parents from knowing about this; it's happening everywhere & it's happening all the time.

Parents are not seeing unvaccinated children in their communities dying from the measles, despite that we are told that 'most' of the measles cases during outbreaks are in unvaccinated children. This has nothing to do with the unvaccinated 'freeloading' on herd immunity because I am talking about unvaccinated kids who actually do catch the measles, in a community that experiences an outbreak; not unvaccinated kids who do not.

Vaccines are the leading cause of Coincidence in the world & parents are not vaccinating because when faced with the choice of:

'A kid who catches the measles gets a fever & spots & then gets better' VS.

'A coincidentally dead kid': Or: 'A coincidentally autistic kid'?

The choice is obvious. Especially when you live in a 1st world country, not in spite of living in a 1st world country. Every parent who vaccinates gambles with a coincidence. A game of chance; not strategy.

If you want to mitigate mistrust you have to mitigate the consequences; whether you believe they are coincidental consequences or not. I don't think that's going to be possible with vaccines, not as long as Vaccines are the leading cause of Coincidence in the world. Not happening.
 
Old 09-13-2019, 11:09 AM
 
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Parents continue to lose trust because babies are continuing to die in their communities after receiving vaccines.

Not: 'Dying during infancy as coincidental to vaccines given in infancy' but as in: Dying within 48 hours of being vaccinated. There is no amount of social-media or mass-media censorship that can stop parents from knowing about this; it's happening everywhere & it's happening all the time.

Parents are not seeing unvaccinated children in their communities dying from the measles, despite that we are told that 'most' of the measles cases during outbreaks are in unvaccinated children. This has nothing to do with the unvaccinated 'freeloading' on herd immunity because I am talking about unvaccinated kids who actually do catch the measles, in a community that experiences an outbreak; not unvaccinated kids who do not.

Vaccines are the leading cause of Coincidence in the world & parents are not vaccinating because when faced with the choice of:

'A kid who catches the measles gets a fever & spots & then gets better' VS.

'A coincidentally dead kid': Or: 'A coincidentally autistic kid'?

The choice is obvious. Especially when you live in a 1st world country, not in spite of living in a 1st world country. Every parent who vaccinates gambles with a coincidence. A game of chance; not strategy.

If you want to mitigate mistrust you have to mitigate the consequences; whether you believe they are coincidental consequences or not. I don't think that's going to be possible with vaccines, not as long as Vaccines are the leading cause of Coincidence in the world. Not happening.
Diagnosis: Coincidence.

What's the ICD code for that?
 
Old 09-13-2019, 11:11 AM
 
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If you have your vaccine, why do you care what other choices other people make?
Because being a vector means you spread it to those who cant get vaccinated for medical reasons, and you also risk the virus thriving and mutating.
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