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I expect the government to protect us from people who will endanger us, yes.
Well, hold up then. We are on the P&OC forum? Cool, then I go there.
For the last 20+ years, our schoolchildren have faced a risk of school-violence mortality that is exponentially higher than the risk of VPD (vaccine-preventable disease) mortality. Vaxxed or not. Hands down; it's violence, not the measles.
The right of kids to have a free & appropriate public education is now going to be denied based on immunization status & you would applaud this as being protected from 'danger'.
Why then; are 'socially-awkward white boys with strange social-media pages' not denied entry into public schools? Inner-city blacks? Border town Latinos? If you want to be protected from danger, why not protect from the statistics-based, current threat; instead of the predicted but only potential one?
And in the end, it all goes back to the individual. If you believe in the safety and efficacy of vaccines, have at it, go get them, good for you. If someone else does not get that same vaccine...why do you, in your super vaccinated, immune, probably_immortal_via_government_injection world give a rat's arse? You have your injected chemical armor, so why worry? Why fret?
If the vaccine is as awesome and effective as your claims that you shriek at the disbelievers, why would you have even the smallest concern that someone else didn't get it, given your new level of perfect health and immunity badassery?
If the vaccines are perfectly reliable, perfectly safe, and perfectly effective, just get yours and if the pandemic breaks out tomorrow, looks like you'll be one of the lucky ones, eh? Or do you not believe that your vaccine makes you nigh immortal? Which is it?
Well, hold up then. We are on the P&OC forum? Cool, then I go there.
For the last 20+ years, our schoolchildren have faced a risk of school-violence mortality that is exponentially higher than the risk of VPD (vaccine-preventable disease) mortality. Vaxxed or not. Hands down; it's violence, not the measles.
The right of kids to have a free & appropriate public education is now going to be denied based on immunization status & you would applaud this as being protected from 'danger'.
Why then; are 'socially-awkward white boys with strange social-media pages' not denied entry into public schools? Inner-city blacks? Border town Latinos? If you want to be protected from danger, why not protect from the statistics-based, current threat; instead of the predicted but only potential one?
Just because there are other threats doesn’t make the threat of VPDs unimportant. We should mitigate the risk we already can and work on risks that still exist.
To say we shouldn’t mandate vaccines because other risks exist is like saying we shouldn’t have a mandate against leaving kids in hot cards because they also are injured in car wrecks.
Just because there are other threats doesn’t make the threat of VPDs unimportant. We should mitigate the risk we already can and work on risks that still exist.
To say we shouldn’t mandate vaccines because other risks exist is like saying we shouldn’t have a mandate against leaving kids in hot cards because they also are injured in car wrecks.
If you were a person who was harmed by a vaccine, watched your baby die after a vaccine and watched another one regress into autism after a vaccine, would you still say it’s worth it for all?
If you were a person who was harmed by a vaccine, watched your baby die after a vaccine and watched another one regress into autism after a vaccine, would you still say it’s worth it for all?
Vaccines do not cause autism. Repeating it ad nauseam won’t make it so.
No one is making you vaccinate. It’s your choice. If that means public school isn’t an option due to mandates, that’s the consequence of your choice.
And in the end, it all goes back to the individual. If you believe in the safety and efficacy of vaccines, have at it, go get them, good for you. If someone else does not get that same vaccine...why do you, in your super vaccinated, immune, probably_immortal_via_government_injection world give a rat's arse? You have your injected chemical armor, so why worry? Why fret?
If the vaccine is as awesome and effective as your claims that you shriek at the disbelievers, why would you have even the smallest concern that someone else didn't get it, given your new level of perfect health and immunity badassery?
If the vaccines are perfectly reliable, perfectly safe, and perfectly effective, just get yours and if the pandemic breaks out tomorrow, looks like you'll be one of the lucky ones, eh? Or do you not believe that your vaccine makes you nigh immortal? Which is it?
No one claims vaccines are "perfectly reliable, perfectly safe, and perfectly effective."
The fact that they are not 100% effective is one of the reasons that herd immunity is so important.
However, the risk of a serious adverse reaction to any vaccine is tiny compared to the risk of the disease it prevents.
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Originally Posted by coschristi
Well, hold up then. We are on the P&OC forum? Cool, then I go there.
For the last 20+ years, our schoolchildren have faced a risk of school-violence mortality that is exponentially higher than the risk of VPD (vaccine-preventable disease) mortality. Vaxxed or not. Hands down; it's violence, not the measles.
The right of kids to have a free & appropriate public education is now going to be denied based on immunization status & you would applaud this as being protected from 'danger'.
Why then; are 'socially-awkward white boys with strange social-media pages' not denied entry into public schools? Inner-city blacks? Border town Latinos? If you want to be protected from danger, why not protect from the statistics-based, current threat; instead of the predicted but only potential one?
The threat from a vaccine preventable disease is only "potential" as long as vaccination rates are high enough to provide herd immunity. The recent outbreaks in NY are testament to what happens when a localized community has rates that are too low.
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As I just explained to another poster; I can't be further vaccinated. I can't rely on herd immunity in a vaccinated population because it would be insufficient, even if the uptake rate was 100% & I am not entitled to your protection from a pathogen anyway.
No matter how compromised a person is or for what reason, it is their (or their parents if a minor) responsibility to protect themselves at all costs. Isolate or temporarily relocate; depending on how much it matters to you. That's what I will do.
Do we depend on herd morality? Would you? Would you post your SS# online because we have laws against identity theft & you feel entitled to protection? That would be dumb. I mean, in my city we have a law about leaving your car to warm up, even though I live in Colorado at 7,000 ft elevation where a blizzard can cover your car in a foot of snow in half an hour. If you leave your car running with the keys in it; the cops won't make your car's theft that much of a priority.
Herd economy? Seriously.
What makes you think you are not being protected by herd immunity?
Your anecdote makes no sense.
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Explain directly how my choices affect your health. Not well, they could if .. but how RIGHT NOW someone else's choice is affecting your health RIGHT NOW.
It's on YOU to keep yourself healthy. Not anyone else.
Waiting for all the lawsuits during holiday shopping season. I mean, those doors at the mall are just COVERED in germs. They should be cleaning them immediately after every person touches them, right? It's the mall's fault if YOU get sick, right?
The choice of the majority in this country to vaccinate against measles is the reason measles no longer circulates in the wild in the US. The same for other vaccine preventable diseases. You do not get them, even if you do not use vaccines, because other people do use them.
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Whew! Well, thank goodness I'm a fully vaccinated parent who vaccinated her kids! Do I pass the test to be considered a Herd Member In Good Standing? Yes? Cool; I need a solid from somebody for a Herd-related complication & just maybe; you are my guy!
See, my youngest regressed into Vaccine-Induced Coincidental Autism after one or possibly a combination of his vaccines which I consented to in good faith.
His school bus will arrive home in 2 hours & I need help from someone who can protect me from his puberty-onset, extremely violent physical attacks. At least until his dad comes home in about 5 hours & then again as a night-watchman?
He is 6'3" & 230 lbs & will come off the school bus like El Toro. He may stop to grab a rock. Don't worry; he won't throw it at you, he actually thinks it will work to sharpen one of the dull butter-knives, which is all I can have left in the kitchen.
Yes, the desired outcome of the sharp knife will be to use it on you but don't you dare fight back! Ya'know, at age 15, he's actually just a disabled child & if you hurt him; you'll go to jail! Meds make it worse so don't do that either.
Potential triggers include walking into the bedroom, kitchen, downstairs & the bathroom. This makes it simple; you can't go to the kitchen to get something to drink which is actually a plus, because then you won't have to use the restroom either, yay! Oh & so is typing on the keyboard when the clock has a 14, 16 or 18 on it but I haven't come up with the positive side of that one yet.
He's got a mean upper-cut with a fist like a bear-paw & will stalk you from behind while staying in your blind spot. His special move is a one-two to the back of your head, a reach-around to the face, pull your head up & nail you in the nose. Watch those tree-trunk legs & those size 15EE feet too.
Are you down; herd-buddy? Got my back? I'll DM you right now? Seriously, you could be an ax-wielding serial killer & I could not possibly be afraid of you & might even still be afraid FOR you.
I've now got 1 hour & 30 minutes. Where's my herd at? My kid & I took one for your team & nobody can return the favor? C'mon; I protected your health & your health came at the coincidental cost of my child's chance for a happy & healthy life. Where's your consequences or do I have to bear that for you too?
Sorry but at some point, the truth that hurts just must be told. And btw; he's a participant in a research study & has an entire behavioral team of specialists trying to work him up so don't say something stupid like 'get more help'.
Vaccines do not cause autism. It is genetic.
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Originally Posted by newtovenice
Didn't the whooping cough vaccine actually cause whooping cough? Oh, right it did.
And didn't the vaccine manufacturer actually hide the whooping cough vaccine in the tetanus shot so people weren't even aware they were getting it? Oh, right, it did.
Disease spreads when conditions are unsanitary. That's a fact. Vaccination has nothing to do with it.
Here's a fun word test: What's the definitive difference between vaccine and immunization?
And why has the industry shifted to vaccine as a the main term in place of immunization?
The vaccine cannot cause whooping cough. The organisms in it are dead.
No one has "hidden" any vaccine. The components of any vaccine containing pertussis are clearly described in the Vaccine Information Sheet given with each injection.
Please explain how polio was eradicated worldwide, even in countries with abysmal sanitation.
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Originally Posted by coschristi
Only if they put on blinders to the resulting secondary pneumonia. Again.
If you do not get the primary infection then you do not get the secondary one.
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If you were a person who was harmed by a vaccine, watched your baby die after a vaccine and watched another one regress into autism after a vaccine, would you still say it’s worth it for all?
The risk of a serious adverse reaction to a vaccine is about one in a million. Deaths are so rare it is hard to count them.
Vaccines do not cause autism. Repeating it ad nauseam won’t make it so.
No one is making you vaccinate. It’s your choice. If that means public school isn’t an option due to mandates, that’s the consequence of your choice.
Sorry but there are many instances of babies regressing into autism post vaccine. cochristie’s included. cochristie herself. She also had a baby die after vaccination. I’m sure you’d feel differently if it happened to you, your kid or grandkid. Normal one day, autism the next. Normal one day, dead the next. Coincidence? Sure.
Sorry but there are many instances of babies regressing into autism post vaccine. cochristie’s included. I’m sure you’d feel differently if it happened to your kid or grandkid. Normal one day, autism the next.
Vaccines do not cause autism. Genetics do.
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