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This has already failed twice in congress, barely - and Trump could have gotten it passed last year but once again he screwed lawfully armed citizens. He is the most anti-gun President since Clinton and he hoodwinked all the rednecks and evangelicals into supporting him thinking he'd protect gun rights.
The argument against this is a Federal law that would usurp existing state laws, especially in the (I think currently) 13 "constitutional" carry states. It would also enable the Feds to pull one permit for whatever crazy reasons they come up with, and the holder would then be SOL. Clearly the feelings of the socialist / authoritarian leaning Fed govt right now and the anti-American media is to strip most Americans of their right to own firearms. So a national permit would be a shaky proposition at best.
The argument for, is that ONE permit would remove all these crazy local and state laws and any lawfully permitted citizen could carry in all 50 states and territories, including the anti-constitutional socialist leaning states like California, Oregon, NY, MA, Hawaii, etc.. whether their politicians like it or not.
Here is a simple solution:
Create a Federal national CCW permit based upon the standard background check, that allows 50 state carry. BUT insert a clause that it does not usurp or affect state licensing or states with unrestricted carry. Also make a provision that to obtain a Federal permit residents have to comply with their state laws. So someone in CA would still not be able to get a Federal permit and thumb their nose at CA law. Some people who don't travel a lot might decided to save their money.
And THAT is ANOTHER issue - such a Federal permit must be FREE. There is nothing in the Bill of Rights stating that citizens may only exercise their 2nd A rights "if" they pay a licensing fee. I hold 4 permits, my own and 2 adjoining states and FL, because I got it in the 80's when permits were first issued. I have spent many THOUSANDS of dollars keeping my permits valid, and on training over the years. Most people can't afford or justify such an expense - so currently permits are really only available to the well off.
I'd like it, but a future Dem president or RINO Republican would simply rescind the EO. We need something stronger.
That is why the current background check is set up like it is. If the FBI does not respond in three days you can buy the gun anyway. They were afraid a POTUS would cut off funding to the BG check and keep anyone from buying a gun.
This has already failed twice in congress, barely - and Trump could have gotten it passed last year but once again he screwed lawfully armed citizens. He is the most anti-gun President since Clinton and he hoodwinked all the rednecks and evangelicals into supporting him thinking he'd protect gun rights.
The argument against this is a Federal law that would usurp existing state laws, especially in the (I think currently) 13 "constitutional" carry states. It would also enable the Feds to pull one permit for whatever crazy reasons they come up with, and the holder would then be SOL. Clearly the feelings of the socialist / authoritarian leaning Fed govt right now and the anti-American media is to strip most Americans of their right to own firearms. So a national permit would be a shaky proposition at best.
The argument for, is that ONE permit would remove all these crazy local and state laws and any lawfully permitted citizen could carry in all 50 states and territories, including the anti-constitutional socialist leaning states like California, Oregon, NY, MA, Hawaii, etc.. whether their politicians like it or not.
Here is a simple solution:
Create a Federal national CCW permit based upon the standard background check, that allows 50 state carry. BUT insert a clause that it does not usurp or affect state licensing or states with unrestricted carry. Also make a provision that to obtain a Federal permit residents have to comply with their state laws. So someone in CA would still not be able to get a Federal permit and thumb their nose at CA law. Some people who don't travel a lot might decided to save their money.
And THAT is ANOTHER issue - such a Federal permit must be FREE. There is nothing in the Bill of Rights stating that citizens may only exercise their 2nd A rights "if" they pay a licensing fee. I hold 4 permits, my own and 2 adjoining states and FL, because I got it in the 80's when permits were first issued. I have spent many THOUSANDS of dollars keeping my permits valid, and on training over the years. Most people can't afford or justify such an expense - so currently permits are really only available to the well off.
So if the person somehow flunks and isn't granted the permit, the govt then prevents him from buying a gun, or prevents him from carrying it concealed?
That is why the current background check is set up like it is. If the FBI does not respond in three days you can buy the gun anyway. They were afraid a POTUS would cut off funding to the BG check and keep anyone from buying a gun.
This was an astute safeguard put into the background check system. If there was discretion, you know some Democrat presidents of past would have abused it.
So if the person somehow flunks and isn't granted the permit, the govt then prevents him from buying a gun, or prevents him from carrying it concealed?
Completely unconstitutional, as you well know.
Don't quit your day job.
I respectfully, disagree. Rights established in our Constitution aren't absolute. There was gun control before the 2nd Amendment was passed and the framer didn't think they were doing away with the ability of the government to enact all gun control via the 2nd Amendment. Then there's the fact that the 2nd Amendment as passed only applied to the federal government; states were free to enact gun control as they saw fit until the 2nd Amendment was incorporated against the states via the 14th Amendment.
So you must be against the NICS (background check system) and all the hunting and firearms safety courses that the NRA has created.
I just can't understand the failed logic of the anti gun crowd...
Guns lovers (an oxymoron if I ever heard one) are a small minority with a very loud, vociferous and corrupting influence through the NRA, which, through political contributions, manages to buy off our elected officials. In the real world most people don't really care much for inanimate objects that are designed to kill things and don't understand why gun supporters have such a hard-on for the things.
It is incontrovertible that CCW programs help deter crimes virtually everywhere they exist. The Florida experience is typical.
I would like to propose that President Trump, via Executive Order, direct the creation and implementation of a National CCW Permitting Program where permits would be issued on a "Shall-Issue" basis. It would include a background check, and the only basis for a denial of Permit would be a failure of said check.
The permit issue would be valid and enforceable by the Federal Government in ALL states and territories, and a refusal or failure of State of Local governments/agencies to honor such permits would be considered to be, and handled as, a violation of Civil Rights and prosecutable under cognizant federal statutes.
Once the procedures and process are crafted, operation of the program can be handled by the NRA and/or other gun-rights focused Civil Rights NGOs, funded by a small administrative fee.
Such a program would take a HUGE bite our of crime.
Where does the fed govt get the authority to issue or deny carry permits?
No permit should be needed for a right you are born with and if you allow the fed govt say so over such rights, it can just as quickly take them away as it can grant them.
Guns lovers (an oxymoron if I ever heard one) are a small minority with a very loud, vociferous and corrupting influence through the NRA, which, through political contributions, manages to buy off our elected officials. In the real world most people don't really care much for inanimate objects that are designed to kill things and don't understand why gun supporters have such a hard-on for the things.
The NRA gives very little money compared to the health care companies and big pharm. Most gun owners don't even like the NRA.
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