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So what ? His intentions were perfectly obvious to anyone who doesn't have blinders on. Do you think he was just making small talk in that conversation ? The intent was perfectly clear, "I have something YOU want ($$$$), and you can do something for ME. " That is as obvious as the nose on your face.
Asking a foreign leader to get involved in OUR election process is about as criminal as you can get.
I just reviewed the transcript of the call and perhaps I overlooked the part where he threatened to withhold aid unless the Biden matter was investigated. If you could please link that part of the conversation.
After watching Biden brag about threatening to withhold 1 billion dollars in aid to the Ukraine unless the prosecutor investigating his son's firm was fired it is easy to see how people might be confused. It was BIDEN that said "I have something YOU want ($$$$), and you can do something for ME. "
By that reasoning, a person can't be convicted of conspiracy to commit murder because they don't overtly mention the word murder in a phone conversation.
By your standard, anything said can be interpreted as a criminal conspiracy.
The president has been under investigation by Mueller until just recently, so he hasn't been able to act on the Biden matter.
Now that the Mueller fishing exposition has collapsed, Trump is finally able to start looking for answers as to what happened and the swap responds by threatening impeachment.
Yes, and congress is held accountable to the voters.
If the dems weaponize the impeachment process, and impeach Trump over something that is clearly not a high crime, or misdemeanor, not only do they face the voters, but their presidents will face similar impeachment in the future.
Again, this all started by the Obama administration breaking from the accepted norms, and targeting their political opposition in the 2016 presidential election.
You dems should send a clear message to your elected officials, and tell them in no uncertain terms that they should not weaponize the impeachment process, for surely this is an extremely dangerous precedent.
It hasn’t been weaponized so far. Pelosi kept the fringe at bay. trump knew he did wrong on the call, hence attempts at hiding it.
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So every political opponent of the president gets a free pass to commit whatever crimes they like because investigating these crimes would be interfering with our elections?
Meanwhile, the Russia-gate attempted coup is just fine and dandy.
The DOJ handles it, not president.
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By your standard, anything said can be interpreted as a criminal conspiracy.
The president has been under investigation by Mueller until just recently, so he hasn't been able to act on the Biden matter.
Now that the Mueller fishing exposition has collapsed, Trump is finally able to start looking for answers as to what happened and the swap responds by threatening impeachment.
Hasn’t collapsed. Muller left it up to Congress to decide to further investigate or not. He left multiple incidents he couldn’t decide were important or not.
Yes, and congress is held accountable to the voters.
If the dems weaponize the impeachment process, and impeach Trump over something that is clearly not a high crime, or misdemeanor, not only do they face the voters, but their presidents will face similar impeachment in the future.
Again, this all started by the Obama administration breaking from the accepted norms, and targeting their political opposition in the 2016 presidential election.
You dems should send a clear message to your elected officials, and tell them in no uncertain terms that they should not weaponize the impeachment process, for surely this is an extremely dangerous precedent.
That's not going to happen because they don't have anyone that can beat Trump and they know it.
Not by blackmailing Ukranian Zelenskly by witholding military assistance to find dirt on Biden.
This is worse than Watergate which was the end of Nixon. At least he used Americans to break into opponents office rather than Ukrainians. Trump is very globalist about illegally looking for dirt on opponents...all on transcript that they tried to hide like Nixon too.
It's, as you well know, is nothing at all. Nothing at all, and it will pass, as all the DemocRATS' previous attempts have, into obscurity. Their only impact to to further disgrace, discredit and embarrass the DemocRAT party.
I can't wait until Nov. 2020. Its going to be a slaughter, with disembowel RATS (DemocRATS) hither and yon.
It wouldn’t surprise me to see another civil war in the future.
I have bypassed the whole thread but this statement caught me, because I frankly agree and have been saying it for a while. Pretty unlikely, but not impossible.
Get these Socialists in with any real power and the probability increases, however.
People will cash their money out, etc. do everything possible to avoid the government taking it.
160 million people aren't going to be happy to be forced to lose their health insurance. Just sit for a sec and imagine the clusterF that would cause.
This is really dramatic but worst case scenario I could see people held up in their houses with all their cash and valuables and guns. We already know which side is much more armed lol. Wouldn't be great for the left.
Regarding the phone call, all of this, I haven't seen anything else to show me that this wasn't hearsay. In the actual complaint itself the guy plain as day says "I wasn't there" but this and that happened. Um, okay?
I am honestly on the fence with regard to whether this is an impeachable offense. My first reaction was getting dirt on an opponent is just politics, it happens all the time.
But then again it's clear that the President was attempting to use his position for his political gains, he is clearly attempting to get a foreign government involved in our election and the transcripts clearly show he was leveraging Ukraine's desire to obtain weapons to get what he wanted.
So be honest, do you see nothing wrong with the President doing this? Or are you in the "not enough for this sort of reaction" camp which is a position I can totally understand.
The daily corruption in DC is much worse.
Politicians collude with lobbyists, think tanks, and wall street to raise funds and tax revenue all to the determinant of democracy.
Trump's phone call was humble compared to what usually goes on. The media is only convincing you to care because they need to protect the elite from scrutiny.
Whatever was wrong with that call, it was not "High Crimes and Misdemeanor" If you thought Russian collusion was half baked, this one is not even luke warm. Obama was secretly negotiation with Iran for two years and not on "whistleblower?" And we all know what he eventually gave away.
You can spin like a top, but it doesn’t mean your spin is factual, legal, or worth reading
Keep spinning—weave any tale you like
“did Presidential stuff” “talked about facts”???
Do you really believe there is a server from the DNC that is stashed in the Ukraine with a “wealthy person”?
Do you really believe that the Ukraine was behind Russia’s hacking and Wikileaks’ propaganda???
If so, seek help...and have a blessed day...
You're zero for twenty and going for Zero for twenty -one.
Sit and spin on that, or whatever it is you do.
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I did read the transcripts. Thanks for keeping it civil, I guess it was too much to ask of this crowd. Such and angry nasty bunch we have here. And all over the country. We didn't see this at this level when Obama was in office or anyone named Bush. So sad to see us ripping each other apart.
Thank you as well. Why shouldn't we be hostile towards each other? Look what the democrat Congress is telling people to do when they see Republicans in restaurants, kicking them out telling them they aren't welcome here, spitting their faces, the Kavanaugh hearings and confirmation, idiotic freshmen congress members selling MerFer anti-Trump shirts.
They are scum. I will never forgive what they tried to do to the Kavanaugh family and our Republican party, Sarah Palin etc, and they will never seek it.
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