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Old 10-01-2019, 06:52 AM
 
Location: Former land of plenty
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The state has no authority to grab people off the street and institutionalize them, nor does it have any authority tax others to pay for such institutions. Property rights could solve a bunch of the homeless scenarios by way of inexpensive housing that wouldnt be subject to onerous zones,codes and permitting processes and through privatization, business and homeowners could take control of the streets and sidewalks that feed their stores and homes.

I recently read where some business owners in CA took control of the situation by lining the sidewalk in front of their stores with landscaping boulders that still allowed for foot traffic, but eliminated loitering.
Mental hopscotch for everybody.
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Old 10-01-2019, 06:55 AM
 
Location: Former land of plenty
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With the poor getting poorer and the booming usage of meth and heroin, what is to be expected. Meanwhile the rich got tax cuts. So much for the voodoo economics of the GOP.
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Old 10-01-2019, 06:56 AM
 
Location: Boston
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that's what is great about this country, you're free to live on the streets or under a bridge.
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Old 10-01-2019, 07:00 AM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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The state has no authority to grab people off the street and institutionalize them, nor does it have any authority tax others to pay for such institutions. Property rights could solve a bunch of the homeless scenarios by way of inexpensive housing that wouldnt be subject to onerous zones,codes and permitting processes and through privatization, business and homeowners could take control of the streets and sidewalks that feed their stores and homes.

I recently read where some business owners in CA took control of the situation by lining the sidewalk in front of their stores with landscaping boulders that still allowed for foot traffic, but eliminated loitering.
It's sad that it's necessary for businesses to have to do that just to keep bums and druggies from taking over the sidewalks. If the cities would do their job, and activist judges stop enabling bums, that wouldn't be necessary.
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Old 10-01-2019, 07:03 AM
 
Location: Former land of plenty
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It's sad that it's necessary for businesses to have to do that just to keep bums and druggies from taking over the sidewalks. If the cities would do their job, and activist judges stop enabling bums, that wouldn't be necessary.
What is your final solution?
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Old 10-01-2019, 07:03 AM
 
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It's sad that it's necessary for businesses to have to do that just to keep bums and druggies from taking over the sidewalks. If the cities would do their job, and activist judges stop enabling bums, that wouldn't be necessary.
Govt has no mandate to keep people safe or streets and sidewalks clean. Best thing for local govts to do is get out of the way and let the private sector handle it all
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Old 10-01-2019, 07:08 AM
 
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With the poor getting poorer and the booming usage of meth and heroin, what is to be expected. Meanwhile the rich got tax cuts. So much for the voodoo economics of the GOP.
How would taking more money from the private sector help the "homeless situation"?
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Old 10-01-2019, 07:31 AM
 
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how many live on the street by choice?
Or doesn't that help make the point that those with homes need to be taxed to provide homes for those who dont?
Would you live on the streets by choice?

Have no idea how many homeless are in my city.
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Old 10-01-2019, 07:37 AM
 
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With the poor getting poorer and the booming usage of meth and heroin, what is to be expected. Meanwhile the rich got tax cuts. So much for the voodoo economics of the GOP.
actually anyone working got a tax cut unless you live in a high tax state like CA (too bad so sad)

I guess you wouldn't know living amongst the bums
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Old 10-01-2019, 07:54 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Weather is a big draw. Most of the hands off stuff has been enshrined in law nationwide. In Sarasota, which is Trump Central (and had the title "Meanest City" when merchants tried to get panhandlers off the streets) LE has to follow the same basic laws as in CA.

One would not think so....but it's true. After decades of just fighting about it the city and county and all the orgs have finally done something. There was a LOT of NIMBY in terms of where shelters could be located.

The Great Recession also caused a big jump.....some of that has settled down now and I think we have cut the number "on the street" by almost 50%, which isn't bad.

SRQ (Sarasota) has a lot of middle aged homeless....and older. Unfortunately their life span is short. I think most die in their 50's due to complications of disease.
Sarasota has a population of 57,000 of which many are snow birds, not year round residents.

The Sunshine State has an abundance of aging/ deteriorating motels and trailer parks off the beaten track that are used to shelter homeless. Nonetheless, it’s never enough.
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