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Quote: “On Monday, the intelligence community inspector general (ICIG) admitted that it did alter its forms and policies governing whistleblower complaints, and that it did so in response to the anti-Trump complaint filed on Aug. 12, 2019. The Federalist first reported the sudden changes last Friday. While many in the media falsely claimed the ICIG’s stunning admission debunked The Federalist’s report, the admission from the ICIG completely affirmed the reporting on the secretive change to whistleblower rules following the filing of an anti-Trump complaint in August.”
More bad news for the Leftists Today in the closed hearing with Volker from the State Department. The Democrat filed out with no comment, the Republicans didn’t say much, but praised the Ukrainian Special Envoy. Schiff didn’t allow Volker to bring Counsel with him.
Dirty dealing going on.
lol, that's not quite how it went down.
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The former U.S. special envoy for Ukraine told House investigators on Thursday that he warned President Trump’s personal attorney, Rudolph W. Giuliani, that Giuliani was receiving untrustworthy information from Ukrainian political figures about former vice president Joe Biden and his son, according to two people familiar with his testimony. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...a5e_story.html
More bad news for the Leftists Today in the closed hearing with Volker from the State Department. The Democrat filed out with no comment, the Republicans didn’t say much, but praised the Ukrainian Special Envoy. Schiff didn’t allow Volker to bring Counsel with him.
Dirty dealing going on.
So I see you listen to Jim Jordan on Fox News, that spin doesn't even closely resemble facts. Trump has a rather large problem with the hearing by Volker and the text messages Fox News acquired from some other embassy officials. Next up the ambassador that was fired.
I guess the skies in Trump world are always blue.
Biden has been investigated, this is nothing more than a Trump/Giuliani witch hunt and I think most of you know that in your hearts.
Which Biden are you talking about?
Joe haven't been investigated, and the company Hunter worked for had their investigation taken over by a prosecutor that was approved by Joe Biden, after Joe got the last prosecutor fired.
I expect he was trying to warn the CongressCritters thst they were barking up the wrong tree in hopes they would save themselves- not to be. They said this information, affidavits and reports were irrelevant and had already been “debunked”. They expected “dirt” from this highly respected Inspector
General, and that’s exactly what they got ...... it just wasn’t the “dirt” they expected.
Giuliani has been working all this Investigation since he came on board as President Trump’s Lawyer.
For those that don’t understand why ... I would refer you back to Perry Mason. When Perry Mason knew his client was innocent... he investigated until he found the guilty party.
It’s my understanding that Giuliani has turned over this set of files to .State & the DOJ.. FBI got the info from Ukraine Officials over a year ago. Giuliani lives in New York, he has been working in Washington - odds are great that the President’s personal Attorney is living at the Trump Hotel. That explains the folders with the Hotel logo.
"It's my understanding." It is impossible for anyone to listen to RudyG and come away with any kind of understanding much less a clear one of his assertions. He contradicts himself. He alleges with no specific charge. Then there is this, from the Washington Examiner that is hardly leftist:
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A consensus has been forming for months, in both Ukraine and in the U.S. government, that Ukrainian Prosecutor General Yuri Lutsenko, who earned the distrust of local anti-corruption activists during his three years in office, lured President Trump's personal lawyer into a rash pursuit of dirt on Democrats that could ultimately bring the American president down.
Lutsenko, 54, convinced Giuliani that he had evidence of corruption involving former Vice President Joe Biden. But his back channel meetings are widely perceived as an attempt to forge the kind of political alliance with Trump that would make it difficult for Zelensky to oust him.
“He did what he did maybe to make himself look like a valuable asset to the new regime,” Oxana Shevel, an expert in the post-Communist region at Tufts University, told the Washington Examiner. “He's a serious politician. Ukrainian politics [involves] figuring out where, informally, the power lies and being on the right side at the right time.”
There's a long BBC interview on video done a few days ago with Lutsenko where he describes how he repeatedly told Giuliani there was nothing he could do for him under Ukrainian law. At the same time, he refers to needing a pre-requisite American investigation to act. That American "investigation" may well have been spun differently to Giuliani pre-Zelenski phone call. At the same time, Lutsenko would have been playing Zelenski who's on record not wanting to be drawn into U.S. political machinations. That the Bidens were a required topic in the Trump-Zelenski does not surprise with Zelenski clearly prepped.
The story run deeps but it starts in Ukraine. It's hopeless to try to dissect it without understanding that. My guess is Lutsenko was more than willing to do Giuliani's bidding, in part to extract revenge on Biden for what's perceived as his treating the Ukraine as a "banana republic." A Trump request would have allowed Lutsenko to supercede another Ukraine agency in a seeming power struggle. Then with the tie to the United States, retain power in the new Zelensky Administration.
Instead, Trump badly flubbed his role leading to the Whistleblower complaint. Lutsenko's now been fired.
As for this RudyG dossier, from what I "understand" a portion is not evidence that Shokin was investigating Burisma but a confirmation that he was not. This is hardly a surprise since that's easily documented from reliable sources (Bloomberg searching court filings). It instead tells a story why Shokin was prevented from conducting corruption investigations by - at least for the Bidens - bringing in a nefarious State Department that features U.S. ambassadors to Ukraine.
The other day RudyG had this hilarious explanation why he had not submitted it to the FBI. (He decided to go on shows to let them know of the allegations with the expectation they would download his documentsfrom the internet.) It sounds like the State Department did not have a clue what to do with it.
A portion of the Dossier consists of State-Department related material; more is solely Biden-related allegations. Career State Department officials appear to have reviewed the allegations connected to Marie Yovanovitch, the former US Ambassador then added their notes to the file. Dossier allegations connected to her were said to be largely debunked with one official writing that it was a fake narrative. The remainder of the Dossier appears to have been ignored. Until that is the IG gathered it up and shipped it off to Congress.
I'll end here. But if anyone takes the time to compare some of RudyG's allegations to a timeline and to specific Ukrainian investigative actions they often do not support the Trump narrative but instead contradict it. Some of the allegations are internally inconsistent and illogical when viewed as an entirely.
This may well be the reason RudyG never actively sought to have it vetted. And why Trump felt the need to exert pressure on Ukraine to create a Biden-related investigation. The Dossier wasn't going to cut it. But that's just IMHO. Time will tell.
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Joe haven't been investigated, and the company Hunter worked for had their investigation taken over by a prosecutor that was approved by Joe Biden, after Joe got the last prosecutor fired.
So no, this hasn't been investigated.
What is the exact crime you are you going to investigate on Joe Biden and how are you going to go about it.
Joe haven't been investigated, and the company Hunter worked for had their investigation taken over by a prosecutor that was approved by Joe Biden, after Joe got the last prosecutor fired.
So no, this hasn't been investigated.
Actually, Republican fingerprints were on what appears to have sealed Shokin's fate. The Biden threat to withhold the loan guarantees was made in December 2015. A joint Republican-Democratic Congressional intervention (formal letter) sent in February 2016. The Ukrainian Parliament finally ousted Shokin in March 2016. Why isn't Trump going after Republicans if Shokin was such a "good prosecutor."
And Lutsenko did institute and complete with a penalty at least one Burisma-investigation after he took over from Shokin. Investigative complaint didn't involve Hunter Biden. That's more than can be said for Shokin who did squat.
Here's some interesting reading material, text messages between Volker, Sonderland, Giuliani, Taylor, and Yermak discussing the 'deal' that Trump wanted in order to give aid to Ukraine.
Click on the link at the bottom for copies of the messages.
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