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Old 10-04-2019, 01:19 PM
 
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While we have seen and read about the carnage in agriculture and this week saw the impacts on US manufacturing, a less obvious industry is being devastated by Trump's tariff war. US hardwood mills are closing, possibly for good, after losing half of their sales to Russia and southeast Asia. Trump's ill-advised tariff war is hurting consumers, our corporations,and workers who need that paycheck to put food on the table.


https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/04/chin...ber-mills.html
“Instead of buying from the U.S., which is the most sustainable forestry institute in the world, they’re buying from places like Russia and ..."

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/04/chin...ber-mills.html


Well, what do you know.

Wonder if taxpayers will be bailing out loggers now as well farmers.
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Old 10-04-2019, 01:32 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Didn't read the link, huh? It is about exporting lumber. The export market has been cut in half by the tariff war. Like soybeans. And corn. Mills HERE are closing. American jobs are being lost.
we don't need to be exporting OUR resources either
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Old 10-04-2019, 01:34 PM
 
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we don't need to be exporting OUR resources either
You...don't like selling things that we have in abundance? That's an awful odd position.
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Old 10-04-2019, 01:37 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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You...don't like selling things that we have in abundance? That's an awful odd position.
if we have an abundance...means prices can come down...means more building here...means better for America...


natural resources that we have, it should not be necessary for us to import OR export them
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Old 10-04-2019, 01:41 PM
 
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if we have an abundance...means prices can come down...means more building here...means better for America...


natural resources that we have, it should not be necessary for us to import OR export them
They’re not quite natural, they’re farmed to be sold.

Even outside of this current war we have a long history of the government subsidizing things and even buying crops just to burn them in order to keep prices sustainable for farmers. It’s a screwed up part of our economy.

Shut down imports/exports and the economy just stagnates.
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Old 10-04-2019, 01:47 PM
 
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Didn't read the link, huh? It is about exporting lumber. The export market has been cut in half by the tariff war. Like soybeans. And corn. Mills HERE are closing. American jobs are being lost.
Oh wow! You suddenly care about fellow Americans. Where have you been for the last 30 years?

Oh that's right, you don't actually care, you just hate Trump.
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Old 10-04-2019, 01:49 PM
 
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Didn't read the link, huh? It is about exporting lumber. The export market has been cut in half by the tariff war. Like soybeans. And corn. Mills HERE are closing. American jobs are being lost.



These companies put all their eggs into one basket, can't blame President Trump for these companies bad business decisions.
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Old 10-04-2019, 01:51 PM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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We shouldn’t be selling products that require extensive natural resources overseas in the first place.
Explain how trees require natural resources that are extra-extensive.

A southern hardwood forest's needs may be extensive, but they have always been met by the natural provision of the land the forest rests on. The trees adapted long ago to whatever the soil provided them.

Logging a hardwood forest has nothing I can see that is extensive in any way. The size of a logging operation always depends on how large its owners have made it, and that's nothing that comes from nature.

Every tree farm is the same. The human resources needed on a tree farm might be extensive, but the natural resources remain the same as if the farm was a wild forest.

Our natural resources are what they are. Exporting them is only another way every nation generates some income for its citizens. The only argument that can be made about exporting is whether its the raw materials that are exported or the materials are exported as finished goods.
No nation exports any natural resources that are in severe shortage. Those resources are always the first to stay home where they can be used the most, unless they are so rare as to be worth an extremely high price. Those high prices benefit the nation where the resources come from the most, because of the rarity of the raw material.

But the resources that are common or plentiful make the most money most often as finished goods. This keeps all the labor and processing here at home, providing jobs and new technology.

That's the argument you should have made.
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Old 10-04-2019, 01:56 PM
 
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These companies put all their eggs into one basket, can't blame President Trump for these companies bad business decisions.
But the article tried so hard. They found an industry who's gravy train dried up and were able to cite 100 lost jobs and 30 corporate layoffs in the ENTIRE country.

And watching these frauds from the left. China is now getting it's hardwoods from countries that will destroy anything for a nickel.

Damage will be done around the globe because of China's decision here. Yet our fake environmentalists want to blame Trump.

Why? Because they don't ACTUALLY care about the environment.
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Old 10-04-2019, 02:04 PM
 
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I guess there isnt a consensus on that.

https://www.forest2market.com/blog/l...ext-five-years

https://www.prosalesmagazine.com/new...rong-in-2019_o
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