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Old 10-20-2019, 06:14 AM
 
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reich_...y_and_Abortion

They even had a division of the government tasked with opposing it. I'm not saying that all Republicans are Nazis, it's just that there's a strong belief in our country right now that the Republican Party and Donald Trump are chosen by God and cannot be questioned or criticized because they are opposed to abortion and homosexuality. The Nazis also had a very unforgiving attitude towards recreational marijuana use, not too different from Republicans today.

Were the Nazis the party of God? Would you support Hitler and all he did just because you agree with him on certain social issues? After all, the entire agenda of the Third Reich was based around German nationalism. They were as socialist as the Democratic Republic of Korea is democratic.
The Nazis believed in the subjugation of the individual to benefit the collective society, confiscated guns from private citizens, and banned gun ownership. Who does that sound like?

"The higher interests involved in the life of the whole...must set the limits and lay down the duties of the interests of the individual." -Hitler, speaking at Bueckeburg, October 7, 1933

Mussolini coined the term/concept of fascism. He stated the definitive description of fascism as the subjugation of the individual for the benefit of the collective society, as directed by the state. VERY left-wing.

"Anti-individualistic, the Fascist conception of life stresses the importance of the State and accepts the individual only in so far as his interests coincide with those of the State, which stands for the conscience and the universal, will of man as a historic entity. It is opposed to classical liberalism which arose as a reaction to absolutism and exhausted its historical function when the State became the expression of the conscience and will of the people. Liberalism denied the State in the name of the individual; Fascism reasserts the rights of the State as expressing the real essence of the individual." -Benito Mussolini and Giovanni Gentile, The Doctrine of Fascism, 1923

Fascism, incidentally, has fascis as it's root word. The meaning is "bundle" and it is used to represent collective power. Collectivism. Left-wing.

 
Old 10-20-2019, 06:14 AM
 
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reich_...y_and_Abortion

They even had a division of the government tasked with opposing it. I'm not saying that all Republicans are Nazis, it's just that there's a strong belief in our country right now that the Republican Party and Donald Trump are chosen by God and cannot be questioned or criticized because they are opposed to abortion and homosexuality. The Nazis also had a very unforgiving attitude towards recreational marijuana use, not too different from Republicans today.

Were the Nazis the party of God? Would you support Hitler and all he did just because you agree with him on certain social issues? After all, the entire agenda of the Third Reich was based around German nationalism. They were as socialist as the Democratic Republic of Korea is democratic.
Socialism in the 20th century was horrible. Fascism, nazism and communism promised inclusion, equity and to certain degree representation for many but that was far from the case. I know mussolini wanted to stamp out the catholic church which had so much wealth, and wanted that wealth to be redistributed, nazis were agaisnt the Jews, and Soviets were agaisnt wealthy, but also agaisnt Jews gays and other ethnic groups who were marlinized by the Soviet state via Stalin. Even in today's times when I see LGBT folks wear a Che guervara shirt. Don't folks know that Che Guevara is a straight white male from a white nation of Argentina in which he did approve of homosexuality?

As for nazis not approving of homosexuality and agaisnt abortions? German population was roughly 80 million and had lost 2 million men in the first world War 1. Under the Weimar Republic, homosexuality was allowed. Nazis rolled back social progressive aims of the Weimar Republic which did not fit the socialist moral aims or nazism. Soviet union wi do the same understand and it too rolled back aims established by Lenin, under Stalin Soviets also sanctioned homosexuality and continued to do so until the fall of the Soviet union.

I'm all for individualism and freedom. I disagree with the collectivism of nazism.

For the record. I don't think trump has a personal stance on LGBT issues. I'm no fan of Trump either. But due to trump's views on certain topics. LGBT and pro black types jumped on the SJW bandwagon to oppose him. I don't think trump is a racist or homophobe. Idiot, a troll, and a bully? He sure is.

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Old 10-20-2019, 06:16 AM
 
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Originally Posted by bawac34618 View Post
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reich_...y_and_Abortion

They even had a division of the government tasked with opposing it. I'm not saying that all Republicans are Nazis, it's just that there's a strong belief in our country right now that the Republican Party and Donald Trump are chosen by God and cannot be questioned or criticized because they are opposed to abortion and homosexuality. The Nazis also had a very unforgiving attitude towards recreational marijuana use, not too different from Republicans today.

Were the Nazis the party of God? Would you support Hitler and all he did just because you agree with him on certain social issues? After all, the entire agenda of the Third Reich was based around German nationalism. They were as socialist as the Democratic Republic of Korea is democratic.
Yep and because they were power hungry Socialists (like ours), they killed.

The Nazis weren't wrong on abortion, it is also killing.
 
Old 10-20-2019, 06:18 AM
 
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Socialism in the 20th century was horrible. Fascism, nazism and communism promised inclusion, equity and to certain degree representation for many but that was far from the case. I know mussolini wanted to stamp out the catholic church which had so much wealth, and wanted that wealth to be redistributed, nazis were agaisnt the Jews, and Soviets were agaisnt wealthy, but also agaisnt Jews gays and other ethnic groups who were marlinized by the Soviet state via Stalin. Even in today's times when I see LGBT folks wear a Che guervara shirt. Don't folks know that Che Guevara is a straight white male from a white nation of Argentina in which he did approve of homosexuality?

As for nazis not approving of homosexuality and agaisnt abortions? German population was roughly 80 million and had lost 2 million men in the first world War 1. Under the Weimar Republic, homosexuality was allowed. Nazis rolled back social progressive aims of the Weimar Republic which did not fit the socialist moral aims or nazism. Soviet union wi do the same understand and it too rolled back aims established by Lenin, under Stalin Soviets also sanctioned homosexuality and continued to do so until the fall of the Soviet union.

I'm all for individualism and freedom. I disagree with the collectivism of nazism.
As do I.
 
Old 10-20-2019, 07:49 AM
 
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What does that tell you about modern day liberals that even Nazis were not evil enough to kill unborn children?
 
Old 10-20-2019, 07:50 AM
 
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It doesn't make any sense to believe Nazis were generally against aborting babies if they murdered people.
 
Old 10-20-2019, 08:26 AM
 
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It doesn't make any sense to believe Nazis were generally against aborting babies if they murdered people.

as i mentioned in a previous post..France executed an abortionist in the late 1930s...abortion was considered a treasonous offense because in denied the country soldiers period....

the SS went through the females from conquered countries and selected people with Aryan features
for the job of prostitute for SS soldiers on leave..these women became know as the "joy division" and produced a substantial number of children...


if one considers producing soldiers somehow to be a moral highground i would suspect motives of someone
 
Old 10-20-2019, 10:54 AM
 
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What does that tell you about modern day liberals that even Nazis were not evil enough to kill unborn children?
But didn't someone say Nazis didn't mind abortion when it came to people not considered members of the master race? So I wouldn't be surprised lmany of today's Christians, who want all abortion banned, would make exceptions when it could be determined the fetus would be homosexual.
 
Old 10-20-2019, 11:07 AM
 
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But didn't someone say Nazis didn't mind abortion when it came to people not considered members of the master race? So I wouldn't be surprised lmany of today's Christians, who want all abortion banned, would make exceptions when it could be determined the fetus would be homosexual.
Conservatives don't have the hangups with it that Bill Maher, Joy Reid, Ilhan Omar, Al Franken, Stephen Colbert, etc. seem to have.

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Old 10-20-2019, 11:11 AM
 
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But didn't someone say Nazis didn't mind abortion when it came to people not considered members of the master race? So I wouldn't be surprised lmany of today's Christians, who want all abortion banned, would make exceptions when it could be determined the fetus would be homosexual.
Why would people who are accused of not believing people are born homosexual want to kill unborn babies?
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