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Old 10-23-2019, 06:50 AM
 
Location: Dallas
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Entrapment is abuse of power and many times it makes criminals out of innocent people. In Sarasota, the Sheriff is proud of his abuse of power.
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How do you catch a predator in Sarasota, Florida? You create one.

The Sarasota County Sheriff's Office (SCSO) is going to "outrageous lengths" to make law-abiding lonely guys into sex offenders. That's according to Noah Pransky, a fearless journalist who has been covering Florida's addiction to entrapment for years.

In one example from a 2017 operation, SCSO spent two days trying to seduce a 20-year-old man who showed no interest in having sex with a child. Detectives, who posted an ad for an 18-year-old woman on Tinder, matched with the young man and proceeded to swap "getting-to-know-you" texts for more than an hour; only then did detectives tell the man he was chatting with a 14-year-old girl, not an 18-year-old.

Undercover detectives continued to try and talk about sex with the man the next day; he again rebuffed the attempts, but continued the small talk because he indicated he was bored. Detectives then sent unsolicited, flirty photos to the man; a tactic that violates best practices and ethical standards for this type of stings.

https://reason.com/2019/10/21/saraso...QnaIOO37OeT1_E
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Old 10-23-2019, 09:20 AM
 
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If police sent unsolicited naked pics or porn that showed an underage person, they are guilty too, ID like to see the tables turned on them just once.


Ive never understood how these kinds of stings are not entrapment though, it fits the definition to a T, they are trying to get an adult to come meet an underage person for sex.
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Old 10-23-2019, 11:29 AM
 
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Reason.com is a pretty skeevy website. You might want to do some back-checking to see if you're getting the full story of if they're witholding parts in order to create outrage.

If this is entrapment as you are describing, the ACLU will be boot deep in that Sherriffs hiney and will defend the young man.

Smart money though, based on reason's reputation is that you're getting half the story.

P.S. This is common, you see it in all kinds of media trying to spin a story.
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Old 10-23-2019, 03:44 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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Reason.com is a pretty skeevy website. You might want to do some back-checking to see if you're getting the full story of if they're witholding parts in order to create outrage.
https://floridapolitics.com/archives...ercover-stings
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Old 10-23-2019, 03:47 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Reason.com is a pretty skeevy website. You might want to do some back-checking to see if you're getting the full story of if they're witholding parts in order to create outrage.

If this is entrapment as you are describing, the ACLU will be boot deep in that Sherriffs hiney and will defend the young man.

Smart money though, based on reason's reputation is that you're getting half the story.

P.S. This is common, you see it in all kinds of media trying to spin a story.
What's wrong with Reason? Doesn't kowtow to Red and Blue?
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Old 10-23-2019, 03:49 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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If police sent unsolicited naked pics or porn that showed an underage person, they are guilty too, ID like to see the tables turned on them just once.


Ive never understood how these kinds of stings are not entrapment though, it fits the definition to a T, they are trying to get an adult to come meet an underage person for sex.
It's not a crime when the government does it. Just you.

Always remember that as you go about your day.
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Old 10-23-2019, 04:09 PM
 
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It's not a crime when the government does it. Just you.

Always remember that as you go about your day.
Exactly. It is illegal for you to lie to the police, but they can lie all they want to you.
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Old 10-23-2019, 04:39 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Exactly. It is illegal for you to lie to the police, but they can lie all they want to you.
These stings cost a lot of money and they need to show results. That's why they implore these tactics.

When the original To Catch A Predator aired it included men with documented cases of serious schizophrenia as well as men who had suffered from serious brain damage.

These men wouldn't be able to testify in court over a parking ticket dispute yet they got prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

Leave it to the government to get regular people from all walks of life to at least appear to sympathize with some of these guys.

Absurd.
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Old 10-23-2019, 04:42 PM
 
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Exactly. It is illegal for you to lie to the police, but they can lie all they want to you.

What is the statue for lying to police? I haven't heard of anyone being convicted of lying to the police.
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Old 10-23-2019, 05:10 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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What is the statue for lying to police? I haven't heard of anyone being convicted of lying to the police.
Obstruction of justice.

If they want you bad enough your interaction, seemingly superfluous at the time, can be construed as impeding an ongoing investigation.

If a cop tips his cap to you and says "hello" as you cross paths going in and out of a 7/11 a word to the wise: don't acknowledge him. He could be "in the duty of carrying out an investigation" and if you tick him off...an obstruction charge could be forthcoming.

With them going around murdering dogs and now more recently humans I doubt they have time to even get their free coffee nowadays though. So there's a bonus.
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