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Amazon, Google, FB, MS, Apple, Uber created/generated this much wealth because of selling theirr products worldwide. Not just here. Walmart could make such a profit because they could produce elsewhere and sell here at a higher margin. Those bountiful common goods need a market.
Assume if they are 1 million temporary foreign workers here and assuming each pay 100$ in social security taxes a month. Thats 1 bn a year for the social programs.
Now imagine Americans filling those jobs pumping the same money into the system.
Why do you care? Why does what corascant or I say that bothers you so much?
My husband is retired and worked in IT. He often had to spend time cleaning up messes that H1-Bs made. He also had to put up with Indian recruiters calling him and stringing him along when he was looking for work. He also had one Indian recruiter harass him by calling him more than once about a job that wasn't in his wheel well. It got so bad that he had to threaten them with calling the police before they stopped. We all know what was going on. These recruiters only called so that they could claim that they did call Americans. Then they would go ahead and either hire an H1-B or an Indian with a green card.
Just what do you expect? Do you expect Americans to be overjoyed when they get laid off and replaced with H1-B? Should they be overjoyed about having to clean up messes that H1-Bs make? Should they be overjoyed at being passed over for a job because the Indian who is doing the hiring blatantly discriminates against non-Indians?
I do not get overjoyed at others sufferings. I only expect everyone does well for themselves irrespective of location or nationality.
The jobs are there, the earnings are there, the u.s. college students are not:
"High average earnings indicate similarly high levels of demand for workers, and superstar earnings indicate a demand for a large pool of professionals to produce a small number of superstars." The Loss of Students from STEM Majors
People really do need to get new material and we can tie all this into, lowered birth rate levels and a higher aging population. So when taxes are raised, the old material then will be, the poor and the elderly tax burden ... will be the blame.
Nothing like staving over the old crap, just to keep from understanding the obvious.
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Which is exactly what you're doing. You will get exactly as many native STEM workers as you are willing to pay for.
Why would they go into STEM when you are telling them that you intend to import foreigners to distort the market?
Why would they go into STEM when you tell them you intend to cheat them out of the value of their degree and the monetary and opportunity cost of their years in college?
The jobs are there, the earnings are there, the u.s. college students are not. What part of that did you not get?
1. Not enough children are birthed, so now you're tying to fill a hole with air.
2. Those that have been birthed, some opt to go into something else.
Employment market like any market in economics, supply and demand decides its outcome. There isn't the supply in the workforce to meet the demands of the (jobs) market.
People can deny it all they want, but it won't make that change.
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1. It's not "big government". It's the people. Immigration is a government project, and immigrants are brought here to support big government. So, no, you're wrong on that point.
2. They do not contribute to our society. They impoverish it by taking a share of the pre-existing common goods without compensating the natives for it. Moreover, they get to vote favor themselves at the expense of natives.
3. We are nowhere near full employment, not that it should matter. We want wages to rise.
4. So what if the population gets older? That's our expressed preference, and it's not a problem.
Yes but I'm talking about how to make America stay on the top, not how to make other countries catch up.
If we don't import talents like North Korea, it's difficult to stay on the top.
BTW China etc. are truly catching up fast.
America will stay on top just fine, thank you very much.
Third world countries need their best and brightest to stay and work to make their own country a better place.
They dont need chain migration for it. BY the time they get green cards, they would have grandchildren who would be US citizens anyway.
You should know how chain migration works. Someone gets a green card. After that, they petition to bring their elderly parents over, then their adult brothers and sisters. Once all those people are here, they, too, can start bringing even more relatives.
My position is opposed to big government manipulating the labor market by restricting the flow of motivated and educated workers, especially when we are already at what most economists consider to be full employment. If you want to make the argument that said labor is causing a material underemployment of Americans you are free to do so, but lets see some statistics to back it up instead of relying on conjecture and feelings.
H-1b is the manipulation.
It is a non-immigrant visa, designed to suppress wages
If it was about the highly skilled it would work totally different. You'd have an auction instead of a lottery. They'd become full citizens, independent of a single employer.
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