I debated a Socialist who said M4A will result in a huge TAX CUT for Americans... (2015, bill)

[jacqueg]

Originally Posted by lifeexplorer

Right, insurance is voluntary while UHC is compulsory. Nobody is against insurance.

Then why are you opposed to UHC? All the UHC systems I am aware of (in other countries) are run as insurance. Only without shareholders.

[lifeexplorer]

Originally Posted by jacqueg

Then why are you opposed to UHC? All the UHC systems I am aware of (in other countries) are run as insurance. Only without shareholders.

Because you have to put a gun on people’s head and force them to join.

And not everybody is paying the same amount according to their risk. Insurance premium is calculated based on risks.

That’s evil.

[InformedConsent]

Originally Posted by jacqueg

No ordinary american can pay on their own for serious medical treatment.

That's why you earn/buy health insurance. It's a choice. Your body. Your choice.

[InformedConsent]

Originally Posted by jacqueg

I have insurance. So yes, other people helped me to pay. And in turn, I help other people. THAT'S HOW INSURANCE WORKS. I don't think that means I am forcing them.

You're not. Having health insurance whether bought or earned is voluntary. It stops being voluntary when some are forced into slave labor to pay others' bills, i.e. single-payer public health care funded by taxpayers.

[InformedConsent]

Originally Posted by lifeexplorer

Right, insurance is voluntary while UHC is compulsory. Nobody is against insurance.

Exactly!

[jbtornado]

Originally Posted by FirebirdCamaro1220

You must be independently wealthy then. The average deductible these days is $5,000. I don't have that, and most people don't either

I have that but it be a big blow.. On top of that if I had a serious medical issue and had to miss months of work, best case I'd go on disability and lose at least half my income.. Worst case I'd get none or LOSE my job because of it..

This is why something needs to change.. People are one car accident or health incident away from bankruptcy in our current system and even if they recover healthwise (which isnt as often as we want to think) They wont recover financially either

[jbtornado]

Originally Posted by FirebirdCamaro1220

It's pretty standard for the trucking industry these days, unless you land a union job. The teamsters have better benefits

But unions are EVIL according to the right wingers here

[Mister 7]

Originally Posted by jbtornado

I have that but it be a big blow.. On top of that if I had a serious medical issue and had to miss months of work, best case I'd go on disability and lose at least half my income.. Worst case I'd get none or LOSE my job because of it..

This is why something needs to change.. People are one car accident or health incident away from bankruptcy in our current system and even if they recover healthwise (which isnt as often as we want to think) They wont recover financially either

You can make payments to hospitals to meet your deductible, interest free, and they'll take just about any amount per month.

People are way too dramatic.

[workingclasshero]

Originally Posted by jacqueg

I went to the ER for a few hours a couple months back. The bill was $20,000.

If you could afford to pay that out of your own pocket, you're not "Working Class".

I didn't make the rules here.

and I am willing to bet, that if you said "I am paying cash" that it would have been only 10% to 20% of that


and you CAN pay over time, and hospitals generally don't charge interest

[workingclasshero]

Originally Posted by jbtornado

But unions are EVIL according to the right wingers here

its not that unions are evil... it is that they have become a corporation...IOW what they were formed to fight