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All good questions, that the LEFT can not answer. All they want is to ease their self loathing GUILT using YOUR money. It doesn't matter that it is unworkable. It doesn't have to be rational, logical, nor effective. All it has to do is check the EMOTIONAL box for the hardcore Leftist (Democrat) and get Democrat politicians, Liberal, Feel Good VOTES.
Don't hold your breath for rational answers to your questions.
If you have a company with several divisions and you find a division that is under performing, thus weighing down the profitability of the overall company, would it be worth investing in that division to improve the profitability of the company as a whole? The answer would be yes if the division is seen as having a viable product line that is marketable and can be helped by updating plant and equipment, marketing, RD, etc. In other words, the company would invest if it BELIEVED in the product of the division. It will not invest if it just sees the division as beyond help.
There is no reason that America should not want to invest into black people, if it BELIEVED in the innate abilities of black people. It would be a win win for the country. Lower poverty and welfare. Lower crime. Higher GDP, etc....if black incomes and statistics were near parity with whites. Why would not America want that? The answer is because America feels that there would be no return on the investment into a innately INFERIOR population. Either they see blacks as INFERIOR and a lost cause and or they want to continue to see blacks beneath whites socioeconomically. It just makes no sense otherwise, not to invest to lift up the black community when it would benefit the nation overall in the long run......unless one feels that blacks are innately inferior and hence would be wasted tax dollars.
If you have a company with several divisions and you find a division that is under performing, thus weighing down the profitability of the overall company, would it be worth investing in that division to improve the profitability of the company as a whole? The answer would be yes if the division is seen as having a viable product line that is marketable and can be helped by updating plant and equipment, marketing, RD, etc. In other words, the company would invest if it BELIEVED in the product of the division. It will not invest if it just sees the division as beyond help.
There is no reason that America should not want to invest into black people, if it BELIEVED in the innate abilities of black people. It would be a win win for the country. Lower poverty and welfare. Lower crime. Higher GDP, etc....if black incomes and statistics were near parity with whites. Why would not America want that? The answer is because America feels that there would be no return on the investment into a innately INFERIOR population. Either they see blacks as INFERIOR and a lost cause and or they want to continue to see blacks beneath whites socioeconomically. It just makes no sense otherwise, not to invest to lift up the black community when it would benefit the nation overall in the long run......unless one feels that blacks are innately inferior and hence would be wasted tax dollars.
If Democrats believed in the innate abilities of black people......they wouldn't think they needed reparations.
Or Affirmative Action.
Or Protected Class status.
Or "Hate Crime/Hate Speech" laws.
Or a host of other laws and policies designed to keep the perpetual victim machine going.
People of color with any sense of pride or self worth should see the very thought of reparations as an insult.
If Democrats believed in the innate abilities of black people......they wouldn't think they needed reparations.
Or Affirmative Action.
Or Protected Class status.
Or "Hate Crime/Hate Speech" laws.
Or a host of other laws and policies designed to keep the perpetual victim machine going.
People of color with any sense of pride or self worth should see the very thought of reparations as an insult.
Affirmative Action was needed. If it was left up to the free market in your fantasy world, then businesses wouldn't have been thriving in the Jim Crow south. One could argue that it is still needed in many industries, although this should be under consistent review. Republicans just act like there is no more racism and discrimination, or if there is it is just against white people. This is insane. Again we have history to prove that black people have been targeted. Hate crime, I'm not in favor of hate crime laws all together, I believe the nuances and motives of given crimes will be shown in court, but there shouldn't be a separate legal classification for given crimes, just my two cents. Hate speech laws, I don't know about these laws. I know about the first amendment and the fact that government cannot persecute you for your speech, so I'm not sure where this one comes into play.
Does everyone think that a check will be written to every African American in the country? There are other forms of reparations, for instance subsidized home loans, business loans, etc. For the people against this measure, were you against the reparations for Japanese Americans that were held in internment camps during WW2?
Does everyone think that a check will be written to every African American in the country? There are other forms of reparations, for instance subsidized home loans, business loans, etc. For the people against this measure, were you against the reparations for Japanese Americans that were held in internment camps during WW2?
Well....if you are the opposition it behooves you to focus on the least tenable theory/methodology for reparations and use that as the model and justification for your dissent.
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Does everyone think that a check will be written to every African American in the country? There are other forms of reparations, for instance subsidized home loans, business loans, etc. For the people against this measure, were you against the reparations for Japanese Americans that were held in internment camps during WW2?
Did every Japanese in the country get reparations... or just, as you yourself pointed out... the ones who were interned in camps?
Or do you think every Japanese in America during WW2 was rounded up and put in camps?
Black folks can take advantage of all of the programs that already exist meant to help poor and disadvantaged people (for WHATEVER REASON) better themselves.
If you are black and NOT disadvantaged economically, you don't NEED "subsidized home loans." Reserve THAT for people of ALL colors who need it. And if you're argument is that some demographics are more disadvantaged than others, then they will naturally qualify more for the programs meant to help people get ahead.
If black people want to call their Pell grants, their food stamps, their Section 8, their minority scholarships, their FHA loans, their WHATEVER "Reparations" then go for it.
If Democrats believed in the innate abilities of black people......they wouldn't think they needed reparations.
Or Affirmative Action.
Or Protected Class status.
Or "Hate Crime/Hate Speech" laws.
Or a host of other laws and policies designed to keep the perpetual victim machine going.
People of color with any sense of pride or self worth should see the very thought of reparations as an insult.
If you would actually study the ways in which black families were prevented from building wealth in this country, you might learn how off base it is to blame the victims.
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morally dead....yes.
Nah, see.... you don't GET to call the demographic that has built the most just and equal complex societies on earth "morally bankrupt." YOU HAVEN'T EARNED THAT RIGHT. "People of Color," frankly, haven't EARNED that right, absent any evidence that being "of color" imparts superior moral conditioning. In fact, empirically, the opposite is true.
Enough with that mess you tell yourself. You don't even get the high ground on slavery since your great-great-great-great-grand-daddy was trading black babies and women to the Arabs for nonsense trinkets hundreds of years before the first European stumbled south of the Sahara. THAT is YOUR "moral legacy." Own that **** before you start throwing stones in your sad, glass hut.
So no. Until the societies, countries and civilizations where people who LOOK LIKE YOU are the MAJORITY show even 1/100th the amount of progressive and humanistic integrity, commitment to human rights and fairness to minorities as the "morally dead" white majority in this country (and Europe) do...you need to sit down and be quiet. Because nobody is buying that BS anymore. Times up on that kind of thinking. You'll figure that out eventually. Stay mad otherwise.
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If you would actually study the ways in which black families were prevented from building wealth in this country, you might learn how off base it is to blame the victims.
If you care so much, then start tithing to African American charitable organizations.
I'm against cash money reparations because I don't think they'll do any good. If you hand $ to anybody majority will just spend it & 6 months or less they will be back at the same financial level that they were before. That's not going to solve the issue. Only thing that will solve is a temporary boost in some local economies if the $ is spent there.
However, you can't ignore that some areas of the country that are primarily black are in just horrible conditions in terms of being able to make it in the world & live a better life. A black child born in the inner cities of Baltimore is a lot less likely to be able to get the same type of education, parenting & job potential as somebody born in a better community.
So I would be in favor of some type of action being taken to help close that gap but have no idea what can be done. I almost feel like as long as people in these communities continue to have children they can't afford we will continue to have these problems. And you can't sit there & ask them to stop having more than 1 child because then people will assume you're trying to stop them from producing all together. But in reality I think that is the only way you'd start to see progress.
And even if you're trying to offer more affordable education or places to live etc. to people living in these communities that need help. It becomes more difficult now days IMO because the amount of white people living in the "inner city type environments" is a lot larger now days than years ago. My point is it would show favoritism to a group of people from the government & how do you convince people that it's okay.
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