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Old 10-29-2019, 10:28 AM
 
Location: San Antonio
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What happened to this country to take us away from the times when we honored those who served honorably and faithfully ? Now, some of us look up to a draft dodging, lying, corrupt, dishonest, womanizing man who paid his way out of serving.

Very strange values some people have.
This is what happens when the leader of the country himself has No Honor.
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Old 10-29-2019, 10:28 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Gilead
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So to clarify, the Republican party is now officially anti-military. They attack Gold Star families, claim prisoners of war aren't heroes because they were captured, and denigrate decorated war veterans and purple heart recipients because their draft dodging president commands them too.

Never again can the GOP claim they support the military or our veterans with a straight face. We all know now it's a lie.
It's unbelievable.

However, not surprising if you view Trump as chosen by God as most Republicans do. The "Support Our Troops" thing was always more of a tool to promote nationalism anyways.
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Old 10-29-2019, 10:28 AM
 
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So what? What's illegal about sitting on the board of a gas company?
Biden was in charge of Ukraine policy for the Obama admin for three years, and he sets his son up with a cushy job, that he had no qualifications having. Would you have a problem if Ivanka sat on the board of Huawei after Trump completes a trade deal with China? I would
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Old 10-29-2019, 10:32 AM
 
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It’s fact, he profited $50,000 a month sitting on the board of a Ukrainian gas company, Burisma. That’s not including what he made in China, which hopefully comes to light.
So now Repubs are against capitalism. Who knew?

It's been reported that Hunter Biden earned $420,000 from his efforts in China, not the ridiculous "billions" that you see on far right social media.
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Old 10-29-2019, 10:33 AM
 
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Biden was in charge of Ukraine policy for the Obama admin for three years, and he sets his son up with a cushy job, that he had no qualifications having. Would you have a problem if Ivanka sat on the board of Huawei after Trump completes a trade deal with China? I would
Ivanka is already getting patents from China worth $$$$$$$$ based on who her father is, so you might want to adjust your example.
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Old 10-29-2019, 10:33 AM
 
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Biden was in charge of Ukraine policy for the Obama admin for three years, and he sets his son up with a cushy job, that he had no qualifications having. Would you have a problem if Ivanka sat on the board of Huawei after Trump completes a trade deal with China? I would
Do you have any kind of link for this - that Joe Biden arranged for Hunter to sit on the Burisma Board?

As for the appearance of a potential conflict of interest, there is a difference between having a "problem with it" - feel free to complain - and some action being illegal with the backdoor investigation the justified result.
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Old 10-29-2019, 10:35 AM
 
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It's not a "political difference". The President of the United States of America asked a foreign leader to do him a personal favor that would benefit the President of the United States' election chances. It's inappropriate and compromising to do that, which is why several people were alarmed enough to report it. If, as others have testified, the withholding of aid was to pressure the Ukrainian president into complying with this request for a favor, that, then, is impeachable. The President is not allowed to use his office or his authority to further his personal ambitions. Because that would be corruption of the office of the President of the United States. That's corruption. Using the power of the Presidency to further his own personal ambitions is corruption.
first of all this "witness" is not saying anything new. is not saying anything different from the text of the call.


we have fact witnesses that have stated that the Ukrainians didn't know about the withholding of funds and there is no evidence that such a thing was told to them. furthermore the call in question the president spoke of the 2016 election cycle and he talked about things that matter related to a sitting VP breaking LAW and seeking help from a nation that we have a TREATY with stating we would help each other with matters related to the investigation of criminal activity.


criminal activity.


IF i were to stipulate that in fact, Donald Trump withheld the funds from Ukraine to force them to comply with a treaty that related to a criminal investigation, i would argue the action was not only not impeachable but fully righteous. period.


Furthermore, the call in question


i suspect you are perfectly fine with Joe Biden demanding a "corrupt" person be fired, and withholding a BILLION Dollars as a condition of getting that "corrupt" person fired.


DC, we are both looking at the same action and seeing something very different. that is fully based on our own POLITICS. IT IS "Political difference".


and this witness, your side is all excited about is just testifying that he has a political difference. This witness has agreed to the facts as stated. IE the transcript is accurate, the timing is as stated and the Ukraine didn't know about the withholding of fund.
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Old 10-29-2019, 10:37 AM
 
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So now Repubs are against capitalism. Who knew?

It's been reported that Hunter Biden earned $420,000 from his efforts in China, not the ridiculous "billions" that you see on far right social media.
So Hunter gets a cool few million for his white privilege and the democrats want to say that Trump is the one profiting off the presidency? Hell no, that’s not going to fly
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Old 10-29-2019, 10:39 AM
 
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So Hunter gets a cool few million for his white privilege and the democrats want to say that Trump is the one profiting off the presidency? Hell no, that’s not going to fly
Trump has spent way more on golf outings on our dime than Hunter Biden made in all the foreign countries put together.
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Old 10-29-2019, 10:48 AM
 
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So Hunter gets a cool few million for his white privilege and the democrats want to say that Trump is the one profiting off the presidency? Hell no, that’s not going to fly
You are comparing a private citizen to the president, who is elected to serve the interests of the United States and its citizens, and to defend the Constitution. He is not allowed to use the power of the purse for personal gain.
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