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Old 10-31-2019, 08:41 PM
 
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The whistleblower is irrelevant. It has been corroborated by a dozen people. As someone noted today, it's like when the first person reports a fire. Then everyone can see the fire. Trump is guilty flat out.
Guilty of what? There's no alleged wrongdoing.
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Old 10-31-2019, 10:04 PM
 
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It's an undeniable fact that he went outside of normal reporting parameters. He illegally reported to the IG instead of (or in addition to) reporting it in the normal chain of command.
Don't forget about the form he filled out that was change right before he filled it out lol...
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Old 11-01-2019, 06:56 AM
 
Location: Grosse Ile Michigan
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Several people were listening in on the phone call between Trump and Zelensky.

What is the protocol with regard to communications between world leaders?

Do several people always listen in on every phone call?

(I can't help but wonder how many times has Trump had phone conversations with world leaders at will, without oversight.)

Is there not a recording of the call?

Why is there a dispute about what the transcript says regarding what was said during the call, when such a dispute can be immediately resolved by reviewing the recording of the conversation?
That would spoil all the fun. How can you speculate and postulate about what may have been said if you have a recording? A recording gets you no votes and no money.
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Old 11-01-2019, 06:58 AM
 
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BREAKING, Whistleblower Has Been Outed ...
Too late, the crime is revealed. The cat's out of the bag. You lose.
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Old 11-01-2019, 07:05 AM
 
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Default Proof of Trump’s impeachable offenses plain to see

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Guilty of what? There's no alleged wrongdoing.

Fox News opinion piece by Judge Andrew Napolitano

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/judg...ng-plain-sight

Several important points are made in this editorial.

After knowledge of the presidential holdup of the $391 million in aid to Ukraine became public, the president asked Barr for a formal legal opinion that dirt on a political opponent is not a thing of value.

Barr had his researchers and writers in the Office of Legal Counsel oblige. That legal opinion, which Trump has touted as a form of exoneration, has been so widely mocked in legal and political circles – because dirt on an opponent is the most valuable commodity for a political campaign, and candidates pay dearly for it – that congressional Republicans have stopped referring to it.
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Old 11-01-2019, 07:06 AM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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It's an undeniable fact that he went outside of normal reporting parameters. He illegally reported to the IG instead of (or in addition to) reporting it in the normal chain of command.
Cite?
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Old 11-01-2019, 07:16 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Not one person said the whistleblower lied though. The whistleblower told the truth and there is proof of this.

If outing the identity/character assassination is the only defense coming from the GOP, they are in deep something, and it's not deep state.
The TRANSCRIPT proved he lied. People have been pointing that out, since Trump unexpectedly released the call transcript. Schiff never thought he would release the call transcript, the whistle blower said existed in his memo.
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Old 11-01-2019, 07:23 AM
 
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The TRANSCRIPT proved he lied. People have been pointing that out, since Trump unexpectedly released the call transcript. Schiff never thought he would release the call transcript, the whistle blower said existed in his memo.
It's not a transcript. It is a Memorandum of a Telephone Conversation (TELCON), which is not a verbatim transcript of a telephone conversation.

What lie?
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Old 11-01-2019, 07:29 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Mystery Revealed – CIA Gossiper Eric Ciaramella: Democrat, Former NSC Staff, Worked with Joe Biden and John Brennan…

Paul Sperry from RealClearInvestigations has outlined the CIA “whistle-blower” who originated the hearsay complaint against President Trump as Eric Ciaramella.

According to the researched outline, Ciaramella worked closely with Democrat operative, Alexandra Chalupa in 2016 to advance the anti-Trump effort; and this year Ciaramella worked closely with HPSCI Chairman Adam Schiff’s staff to continue his efforts.

https://www.realclearinvestigations....er_120996.html
This guy is the poster child for the partisan "deep state operative" that uses their position in government to try an subvert the president, if he belongs to the opposing political party of the deep stater.

Whistleblower Eric Ciaramella: Is this the best they've got?

Federal records show that Biden's office invited Ciaramella to an October 2016 state luncheon the vice president hosted for Italian Prime Minister Matteo Renzi. Other invited guests included Brennan, as well as then-FBI Director James Comey and then-National Intelligence Director James Clapper.
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Old 11-01-2019, 07:41 AM
 
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This guy is the poster child for the partisan "deep state operative" that uses their position in government to try an subvert the president, if he belongs to the opposing political party of the deep stater.

Whistleblower Eric Ciaramella: Is this the best they've got?

Federal records show that Biden's office invited Ciaramella to an October 2016 state luncheon the vice president hosted for Italian Prime Minister Matteo Renzi. Other invited guests included Brennan, as well as then-FBI Director James Comey and then-National Intelligence Director James Clapper.
The real scary part is if Trump had not been elected POTUS, this " deep state" population of Government Employees . Military and Intelligence Officers may not have been exposed for who and what they are.

They have their own set of values, ideology and policies, and in their minds, their " patriotism" is not centered on what is best for the people , but best for their way of life. They may actually consider themselves a Fourth Branch of Government , not elected by the people, but in their own minds, essential.
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