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Pray tell Spartacus how you possibly think there won’t be a Trial?! You’re saying that many of those Dems who voted for Impeachment Rules will vote NOT to Impeach?!
'Quid pro quo' is a canard anyway. I have posted this now 4 times and have yet to get an actual reply:
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In 1951, Ike was NATO commander. Ike wanted to push the idea of NATO and 'collective security.' He saw conservative leader Sen Robert Taft (R,OH), as the key to implementing his vision.
Taft wanted the GOP nomination for 1952, but there was much talk about the possibility of Ike running. Ike invited Taft to the Pentagon, with a plan to offer to renounce any 1952 run, in exchange for Taft's support for Ike's vision. Ike did this without consulting President Truman.
Taft rejected the proposal. "I had no success," Ike recalled. He instructed aides to tear up a prepared statement renouncing any possibility of a 1952 run for the presidency. Of course he did run in 1952 and won.
Should Ike have been impeached over this quid pro quo? It's even more of a clear cut exchange of foreign policy for election meddling. In the case of Trump, you have to interpret his intent in order to damn him. In the case of Ike, there is no interpretation needed. It was an explicit quid pro quo.
If the Senate actually took their role of being an impartial jury seriously they would remove Trump. Attempted extortion is a crime. All of the evidence is incriminating and there hasn't been one iota of exculpatory evidence. All roads lead to guilt here. But no, the Senate will shirk their sworn duty and will give Trump a pass, because they'll put party over country and Constitution.
Elliott, Trump is as guilty as O.J. Simpson (I’m from Buffalo) but we’re dealing with a lotta Trump loyal Repub Senators who will proclaim/vote “there’s no Sharpie note of Bribery so no note - aka glove doesn’t fit - we gotta acquit”
If the Senate actually took their role of being an impartial jury seriously they would remove Trump. Attempted extortion is a crime. All of the evidence is incriminating and there hasn't been one iota of exculpatory evidence. All roads lead to guilt here. But no, the Senate will shirk their sworn duty and will give Trump a pass, because they'll put party over country and Constitution.
When a judge gets a case that is brought in bad faith, they dismiss it with prejudice so that it doesn't waste any more of their time than necessary, if the Senate takes their job seriously, they immediately dismiss the partisan garbage the House sends them and they get back to doing "their sworn duty"....and get the House to do the same.
'Quid pro quo' is a canard anyway. I have posted this now 4 times and have yet to get an actual reply:
Should Ike have been impeached over this quid pro quo? It's even more of a clear cut exchange of foreign policy for election meddling. In the case of Trump, you have to interpret his intent in order to damn him. In the case of Ike, there is no interpretation needed. It was an explicit quid pro quo.
No one is responding because your comparison makes no sense. No one is answering because they recognized you and your strategy here for what it is: an irrelevant out of date distraction from a POE meant to muddy the waters
'Quid pro quo' is a canard anyway. I have posted this now 4 times and have yet to get an actual reply:
Should Ike have been impeached over this quid pro quo? It's even more of a clear cut exchange of foreign policy for election meddling. In the case of Trump, you have to interpret his intent in order to damn him. In the case of Ike, there is no interpretation needed. It was an explicit quid pro quo.
Should Ike have been impeached over this quid pro quo? It's even more of a clear cut exchange of foreign policy for election meddling. In the case of Trump, you have to interpret his intent in order to damn him. In the case of Ike, there is no interpretation needed. It was an explicit quid pro quo
Travis, many have posted that the correct Legal term is Bribery - apparently a lot of Righties refuse to acknowledge this
Trump’s intent was clearly to Bribe Zelensky for help w getting dirt on Biden for the 2020 election - he said “do me a favor and I’ll release the $$$”
When a judge gets a case that is brought in bad faith, they dismiss it with prejudice so that it doesn't waste any more of their time than necessary, if the Senate takes their job seriously, they immediately dismiss the partisan garbage the House sends them and they get back to doing "their sworn duty"....and get the House to do the same.
It will be too tempting to get anti Biden stuff on the record as part of the defense
does this immediate dismissal happen without a vote or discussion?
No, obviously there's a vote, just like one was called in the Clinton impeachment trial in the Senate. The difference would be that this one would very likely pass and probably with some bipartisan support.
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Originally Posted by Taiko
It will be too tempting to get anti Biden stuff on the record as part of the defense
Yeah I'm sure that would be tempting, but the right thing to do would be an immediate dismissal instead of continuing the charade for political points.
Now certainly they might not do the right thing just so they can beat up on Democrats by destroying the case publicly, but I hope it doesn't go that route. It'll only lead to more division and partisanship.
You do realize the trial happens in the Senate, not the House right?
Perhaps you need to read up on the process before continuing in this conversation.
c’mon Bobby!
As I spelled out, the House voted on Impeachment rules for the Impeachment to be held in the House.
Got it?!
Then, if House votes to Impeach there’s a Trial in the Senate - got it?!
You said that there may not be an Impeachment (in the House). I politely pointed out that a lotta House Dems would need to do a 180 a from their Impeachment rules “yea” vote and vote “No” to Impeach
Got it?!
Jeez
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