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Old 11-14-2019, 08:13 AM
 
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Note that this seems to address many of the pundits here....because it includes colleges of pharmacy, maritime, etc. which are "trades".

https://www.washingtonpost.com/educa...s/?arc404=true

The bottom line, tho, if - AFTER DEBT - college grads make almost 900K more over a 40 year period after graduation.

Good article is that it challenges each individual to ask themselves "what do I want to learn - what and who do I want to be?" before committing to debt, etc.
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Old 11-14-2019, 09:35 AM
 
Location: Old Dominion
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This is good. I'm in favor of a gap year for a lot of students to figure things out about their lives and what they want to do with their lives. I work in the skilled trades, trust me there is good and bad with every industry. Even though I make more than the average master degree holder in the US (2015 Georgetown study), I realized I'm not the general rule, I'm the outlier in this situation. Although I am now going to college after working in the trades for about 10 years.

People have to come to the decision of what will be best for them and build on their passion and interests. It isn't going to be a one size fits all approach to life that will bring you happiness and success.
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Old 11-14-2019, 10:19 AM
 
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This survey makes no sense to me. There is no explanation on how the return on investment was calculated. My return on investment shows as a million dollars. I believe my lifetime gross earnings were about $2 million. How can they determine what they would have been without a college degree?
One fallacy here is that people who do graduate college are probably more ambitious and goal driven than those who don't. But people who are ambitious and goal driven do well in all sorts of fields where a degree is not needed, especially if they work for themselves, or are in trades.
I'd like to know how these statistics were compiled. I just can't take them at face value. For example, how can they know by college what people's lifetime earnings were? I never mentioned my college on my income tax. How many people were actually sampled? Did only people who did well in life respond?
My inclination is that these statistics are based on faulty assumptions and invalid methods.

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Old 11-14-2019, 10:22 AM
 
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31 year old and 29 year old -sons- both making six figures -- both have college education. I'd say it worked for them
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Old 11-14-2019, 10:25 AM
 
Location: Houston
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Yes, and the average debts after leaving college is about 25K and they want others to pay for it. Ridiculous.
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Old 11-14-2019, 10:32 AM
 
Location: USA
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It depends on what you major in. There are a lot of worthless degrees for sale.

Medicine, law, accounting, and engineering are still worthwhile for most people. On the other hand, the sciences, history, languages, sociology, etc. are not worthwhile unless you are exceptionally talented.
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Old 11-14-2019, 10:35 AM
 
Location: Southwest Washington State
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There are multiple ways of reckoning worth. There is the excitement of doing the thing you love, the satisfaction of doing worthwhile work, the pleasure of wealth, the lack of debt.

I think going into massive debt for education is a terrible way to begin working life. It is even worse if you don’t come out qualified and equipped for a lucrative career.

This my opinion: people should think twice about getting degrees in lower paying fields, especially if they have to take out large loans to get the degree.
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Old 11-14-2019, 10:42 AM
 
Location: Free State of Florida, Support our police
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My son went to one of our military academies. He received a degree in economics. Now going to graduate school for his MBA. No college debt and set himself up for the future. However I have a ton of respect for the trades. When your ac stops working, if you have a leak in your pipes or your electric no longer works there is no more important person in the world than that person that can fix it!
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Old 11-14-2019, 11:38 AM
 
Location: OH->FL->NJ
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This is good. I'm in favor of a gap year for a lot of students to figure things out about their lives and what they want to do with their lives. I work in the skilled trades, trust me there is good and bad with every industry. Even though I make more than the average master degree holder in the US (2015 Georgetown study), I realized I'm not the general rule, I'm the outlier in this situation. Although I am now going to college after working in the trades for about 10 years.

People have to come to the decision of what will be best for them and build on their passion and interests. It isn't going to be a one size fits all approach to life that will bring you happiness and success.
Skilled trade + AS in business with accounting....
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Old 11-14-2019, 12:07 PM
 
Location: Old Dominion
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Skilled trade + AS in business with accounting....
Nice that’s awesome. I’m in the skilled trades HVAC and plumbing. I’m in school for computer science. I think it is great to have a trade to fall back on.
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