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Do you have source for any of these bogus claims or is this a typical out of your hole type of info?
Oh, I've seen these biased sources and many times they blur the lines between legal immigrants and illegal aliens. There is a high incarceration rate for illegal aliens. No, many of today's "immigrants" are not assimilating like in the past.
Illegal aliens gain welfare through fraud and their anchor babies. Illegal aliens take more from our economy than they contribute to it.
Oh, I've seen these biased sources and many times they blur the lines between legal immigrants and illegal aliens. There is a high incarceration rate for illegal aliens. No, many of today's "immigrants" are not assimilating like in the past.
Illegal aliens gain welfare through fraud and their anchor babies. Illegal aliens take more from our economy than they contribute to it.
^^^^This. They purposely blur the lines between illegal alien and legal immigrant. There can be no "illegal immigrant" or "undocumented immigrant" as Immigration is by definition a LEGAL PROCESS that requires DOCUMENTATION.
Illegal aliens steal Social Security numbers, and commit Identity Theft to get government benefits. It can totally destroy a person's credit whom they steal the SS number from. This is a common occurrence, yet the Media does not mention it, nor report on the ramifications.
70% of legal immigrants vote left/democrat decade after decade.
It wouldn't necessarily be that way. Foreigners have little to no understanding of the internal politics of the USA, just as Americans have little understanding of the politics of so many other countries. That's just how it is. Yet most immigrants come from conservative traditional cultures and have an outstanding work ethic.
They would make model Republicans.
I think that if the percentage claim is correct it may have something to do with the hostility they sense from right-wingers. Legal immigrants sense this resentment and disparagement after their arrival, not before, while they are legal aliens or some time after gaining citizenship.
For example: early in GW Bush's administration and before, Muslims tended to vote Republican, this was known to party leadership. Many still do. Bush knew this and tried to tamp down the generalized anti-Muslim rhetoric after 9/11.
These days, due to the hostility of the Tea Party/Trumpie types, Muslims are unlikely to identify with Republicans. They might not become Democrats, but they sense hostility within the party which would otherwise appeal to them strongly.
The same is true of Mexicans and Central Americans. Their belief systems and cultural norms make what the Republican Party traditionally stood for appealing. They are hard working, competitive and enterprising people. Perfect for the Republican Party. They know they are not appreciated (IOW, they are resented and even hated, and they know it) by Trumpies and that keeps them from supporting the party in the numbers they naturally would. Yet, they continue to share many of the same values Republicans would call their own.
The Republican Party is missing a big opportunity here. There is nothing to be done about it, the party leadership can not change the behavior and actions of the rank and file.
It wouldn't necessarily be that way. Foreigners have little to no understanding of the internal politics of the USA, just as Americans have little understanding of the politics of so many other countries. That's just how it is. Yet most immigrants come from conservative traditional cultures and have an outstanding work ethic.
They would make model Republicans.
I think that if the percentage claim is correct it may have something to do with the hostility they sense from right-wingers. Legal immigrants sense this resentment and disparagement after their arrival, not before, while they are legal aliens or some time after gaining citizenship.
For example: early in GW Bush's administration and before, Muslims tended to vote Republican, this was known to party leadership. Many still do. Bush knew this and tried to tamp down the generalized anti-Muslim rhetoric after 9/11.
These days, due to the hostility of the Tea Party/Trumpie types, Muslims are unlikely to identify with Republicans. They might not become Democrats, but they sense hostility within the party which would otherwise appeal to them strongly.
The same is true of Mexicans and Central Americans. Their belief systems and cultural norms make what the Republican Party traditionally stood for appealing. They are hard working, competitive and enterprising people. Perfect for the Republican Party. They know they are not appreciated (IOW, they are resented and even hated, and they know it) by Trumpies and that keeps them from supporting the party in the numbers they naturally would. Yet, they continue to share many of the same values Republicans would call their own.
The Republican Party is missing a big opportunity here. There is nothing to be done about it, the party leadership can not change the behavior and actions of the rank and file.
Assuming you mean citizens who came here as immigrants (because immigrants can't vote) I don't know where you are getting the idea that most of them are from conservative cultures. Working hard is a part of the American culture in general. What has Trump said negatively about legal immigrants? Even if Trump wants to reduce their numbers based on our needs and their ability to contribute to our society and not take jobs from Americans why would they be offended by that? That's just common sense immigration policy and so is opposing illegal immigration. Are immigrants who are now citizens so tribal that they can't understand the above? If so, then perhaps we shouldn't have made citizens out of them. Where are you getting the notion that most Republicans in congress and out in mainstream are hostile towards immigrants?
"Immigrants" don't have any more of an astounding work ethic than Americans do. Where are you getting that? There is no anti-Muslim sentiment per se. It's only about objecting to radical Muslims who won't assimilate into our society and are here to harm us. Why the liberal spin?
Where's the hostility by conservatives against Hispanics who are here legally, who aren't making bogus asylum claims and respect our immigration laws? None, nada, zilch! Why the liberal spin? The problem with many Hispanic citizens is that they want amnesty for their illegal amigos and since most Republicans are not in favor of that and the Democrats are that's why they vote Democrat! It's a self-serving agenda, not a pro-America one but according to them that makes the GOP racists! Utterly ridiculous! It's about our laws not racism. Those are they type of people who should never have been given our citizenship and those here illegally now have anchor baby so-called citizens who will vote the same way for the same reasons!
Why? Just because you don't like the way they vote? Sorry, we're not going to change a 200 year tradition just because it results in people who don't vote the way you want.
Who died and put you in charge of our immigration laws?
You don't realize that since 1965 we've allowed a total of 50 million legal immigrants into this country plus untold millions of illegals. Just how long do you think this is sustainable given that we don't have unlimited buildable land and potable water?
If all these naturalized legal immigrants voted the opposite of you, we all know you would be singing a different song. Don't pretend otherwise.
It wouldn't necessarily be that way. Foreigners have little to no understanding of the internal politics of the USA, just as Americans have little understanding of the politics of so many other countries.
It takes several years to obtain a green card, depending on one's route of immigration (K1 fiancee visa, H1b, etc.)... and then at least 3 more, to go from green card to citizenship. The citizenship process requires familiarity with basic civics and history. Quite likely, freshly naturalized citizens have deeper understanding of the US Constitution than do native-born American citizens. And they have the perspective of the political situation in their former countries. By my reckoning, they're better equipped to participate in American politics, than are the native-born.
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Originally Posted by Hesychios
The Republican Party is missing a big opportunity here. There is nothing to be done about it, the party leadership can not change the behavior and actions of the rank and file.
Indeed. Immigrants excel in the professions, start businesses, invest. They're natural adherents to the party that's supposed to be pro-business, low-tax and [formerly!] pro-trade. But what of the modern Republican party?
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Originally Posted by Oldglory
Assuming you mean citizens who came here as immigrants (because immigrants can't vote) I don't know where you are getting the idea that most of them are from conservative cultures.
What are the non-conservative parts of the world? Basically it is Europe, the non-Muslim parts of the former USSR, and former British colonies such as Canada or Australia. The Third World is monolithically conservative, be it Latin America or the Middle East or sub-Saharan Africa. "Conservative" means clan/tribal identity, traditional gender roles, family support-network for children and elders, religiosity and the like.
Well, if we're going to lament that Europeans or Australians or whatever are only a small part of the modern immigration stream, then don't we arrive at the conclusion, that most immigrants hail from a conservative society?
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Originally Posted by Oldglory
"Immigrants" don't have any more of an astounding work ethic than Americans do. Where are you getting that?
We get that from the notion that for centuries, immigrants were the enterprising ones, the restless ones, the risk-takers. Those who were willing to settle for the constrains of their home-society, didn't leave. They didn't venture out.
I haven’t seen one comment on CD where someone has said the country should be whites only. If you have would you post that quote? I’d like to see it.
I will admit I'm mildly entertained by this insistence that immigrants are listless people looking for handouts. I'll venture that most of the people posting in this thread could never muster up the hustle (and the cojones) to strike out to build a new life in a foreign country.
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