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Madison was Secretary of State under President Thomas Jefferson in 1805. There had been trouble with US merchant vessels being attacked by Barbary Coast (North Africa) pirates. The great powers of Europe had arrangements to protect their shipping, but the fledgling US didn't.
The Tunisians sent envoy Sidi Soliman Mellimelli to Washington DC to negotiate. Madison was chief negotiator for the US.
The Tunisian envoy requested female companionship ('concubines') for his 11 man delegation.
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Irving Brant, author of the classic six-volume biography on Madison, referred to the concubine incident. His reference illustrates Madison's (very) occasional wry sense of humor:
... He needed some concubines. Madison supplied [female companions] and charged the cost to the State Department. 'Appropriations to foreign intercourse....'
The high-minded Jefferson was not amused by the 'foreign intercourse' reference. Sixteen years earlier, Madison had served as principle author of the Constitution, including the impeachment provisions. At the time there was no suggestion of impeachment over the incident. Should he have been impeached?
Democrats were not actively trying to turn America into a 3rd world country in that time. Interestingly enough, they were 100% in support of slavery, and whole lot of white republicans would ultimately lose their lives fighting to end that democrat supported institution. Burning the American flag and demanding open borders was not in vogue in those days though, so it's hard to compare to today's version of America.
Madison was Secretary of State under President Thomas Jefferson in 1805. There had been trouble with US merchant vessels being attacked by Barbary Coast (North Africa) pirates. The great powers of Europe had arrangements to protect their shipping, but the fledgling US didn't.
The Tunisians sent envoy Sidi Soliman Mellimelli to Washington DC to negotiate. Madison was chief negotiator for the US.
The Tunisian envoy requested female companionship ('concubines') for his 11 man delegation.
The high-minded Jefferson was not amused by the 'foreign intercourse' reference. Sixteen years earlier, Madison had served as principle author of the Constitution, including the impeachment provisions. At the time there was no suggestion of impeachment over the incident. Should he have been impeached?
What do you think?
One big difference is that didn't happen while Madison was President and it wasn't bribery for assistance winning an election. That doesn't mean it was right but it's an entirely different scenario.
Not that it really matters though. Trump is providing anti-abortion and anti-gay judges and that's all his supporters care about.
It was not a bribe for the personal gain of Madison. He was doing it in service of the goals of the US at that time.
You're asking too much for right nut jobs to have to use logic and reason for the 3 seconds it takes to figure this out. Deflect and run interference for the great orange P**** grabbing messiah of the right!!
One big difference is that didn't happen while Madison was President and it wasn't bribery for assistance winning an election. That doesn't mean it was right but it's an entirely different scenario.
Not that it really matters though. Trump is providing anti-abortion and anti-gay judges and that's all his supporters care about.
There are differences but both were cases of 'quid pro quo' with a foreign government. In the case of Madison, it was of a much more scurrilous and scandalous nature. Another difference is that Madison's actions were provable, being right there in the federal ledger. As of yet we can't even prove for sure that Trump's case was even an actual 'quid pro quo.'
What does it matter that Madison was not president? Are you saying that if Sec. Pompeo had executed this instead of Pres. Trump it would have been ok?
It was not a bribe for the personal gain of Madison. He was doing it in service of the goals of the US at that time.
But we don't have the proof yet that Trump was pursuing personal gain. If you read the so-called 'transcript' the proof is not there. It can be interpreted as a matter of personal gain, as Nikki Haley says, by making 'assumptions.' It can also be interpreted otherwise.
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