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You do understand that there's a difference between everything being "free" and mandatory participation in the collective........
Yes?
Millions of his ancestors have agreed to pay taxes... they have voted in politicians that have clearly said to raise taxes. Taxes was and is a part of a nation.. no nation state can exist without tax collection!
Then there are some self righteous right-wingers that claim they should not pay taxes, because its slavery.
They dont care about the country.. they only care about themselves. They are free to move abroad if they want.
Then they turn around and salute the flag and sing the national anthem... while giving supportive lip services to the most Socialist entity in the entire USA.. the Military!
Millions of his ancestors have agreed to pay taxes... they have voted in politicians that have clearly said to raise taxes. Taxes was and is a part of a nation.. no nation state can exist without tax collection!
Then there are some self righteous right-wingers that claim they should not pay taxes, because its slavery.
They dont care about the country.. they only care about themselves. They are free to move abroad if they want.
Then they turn around and salute the flag and sing the national anthem... while giving supportive lip services to the most Socialist entity in the entire USA.. the Military!
not a republican but:
Clearly you dont understand how taxes are taken (i.e. coercion) That most all prefer not to sit in a jail cell from resisting the taking of taxes hardly constitutes a voluntary agreement to pay them.
You also dont know what constitutes slavery.
The state confiscating a portion of wages in return for (and not a promise of) healthcare, retirement, defense, roads, etc. of its choosing is no different than a plantation owner keeping your days wage for shelter and food of their choosing.
You arent free if you cant keep 100% of your wages and make your own choices.
If your grand schemes are so great, people will willingly contribute to them. What is your problem with voluntary participation in funding them?
Last edited by Frank DeForrest; 11-20-2019 at 06:39 AM..
... the future of the Republican party is nationalism/populism or traditional conservatism?
The Republican Party today is an unnatural coalition between the two factions listed above. They are not the same, although there are many areas where their interests would overlap.
There are many areas where the groups can work together, but ultimately we may see a split and falling out of one or the other.
The future of all government, always and everywhere, is evolving towards tyranny. History is virtually perfectly reliable where that theory is concerned.
Thus, the future of Republicans is to evolve towards tyranny. Whether that is of the authoritarian nationalist thing or the euphemistic description of straight up incremental socialism called "traditional conservatism"...meh, wtf cares? Either way, they will grow the government, increase its reach, scope, power, etc...and we are all less free.
My actual bet, per the OP? Given the feckless cowards that they are, they'll go with incremental socialism instead of showing even the speck of political fortitude that authoritarian nationalism would require. American politicians are spineless weasels, each and every one, and they hide behind their Great Wall of Faceless Bureaucrats, feeding them new laws and regs on a constant basis in an effort to add bricks and mortar to the existing barrier of unaccountability that guards their rackets, graft and schemes.
not a republican but:
Clearly you dont understand how taxes are taken (i.e. coercion) That most all prefer not to sit in a jail cell from resisting the taking of taxes hardly constitutes a voluntary agreement to pay them.
You think its coercion.. and I think its voluntary. Who is right?
One can either move to another country... or vote for somebody that runs on no taxation.
Should one rather say at 18, you can:
Accept that living in the US one pays taxes.
Or
Not accept paying taxes, and renounce your citzensship and move out.
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Originally Posted by Frank DeForrest
You also dont know what constitutes slavery.
The state confiscating a portion of wages in return for (and not a promise of) healthcare, retirement, defense, roads, etc. of its choosing is no different than a plantation owner keeping your days wage for shelter and food of their choosing.
You arent free if you cant keep 100% of your wages and make your own choices.
Well... good luck with that discussion nationally.
But, then one could just tax your employer for employing anybody.
You get to keep all "your salary"..
You employer have to pay your taxes. Thats within in the Constitution rights.
Wanna work for "yourself".. you gotta create a company, and that company has to pay "your taxes".
You get to keep all "your salary".
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Originally Posted by Frank DeForrest
If your grand schemes are so great, people will willingly contribute to them. What is your problem with voluntary participation in funding them?
Because living in a complex society is complex.. and most people can't think complexly.
Should just those that love the military pay for the military... how many ships or brigades would the US be able to field you think if that is the case?
Living in a complex society, everybody needs to chip in to lower costs for everybody.
"Voluntary" ensures everything is underfunded.. if you want to live in a Amish society, sure Voluntary is great.
Want to live in the 21 or 22 Century, people actually have to pay for a society that works efficiently!!
I will say this. Populism is going to be a growing perspective within the Republican party. I have been watching this over the last 6 or 7 years.
The reason is more an more big businesses are being led by liberals. companies like Amazon and Google have a decidedly progressive approach.
democrats have traditionally been the workers party. as this shift continues and more and more company leadership move left, the workers are going to have issues with it. The Republican party will see populist leaders who speak to that discomfort. Its supply and demand.
things are going to be interesting over the next decade. We are already seeing the parties flip on some issues. on others they are going further to their own side. i predict 25 years from now, the parties (if we still have a two party system) will not be recognizable in terms of our current understanding.
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