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Old 06-19-2016, 11:06 AM
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Nationalism simply means protecting our ability to not be governed from offshore influence.

If you lose that, then globalists have the ability to dictate the terms of your local existence. TPP (Trans-Pacific Partnership) is an example of that, and a mere start.

In a world devoid of the nationalism upon which countries were founded, you lose rights that you've guaranteed within borders that globalists are trying to erase.

Trump wants countries to be countries again. That includes cooperation and diplomacy.

There is a reason why he's being so viciously demonized by globalists, including Soros, including NYT and NY Daily News ownership, and by corporate interests like Comcast.

 
Old 06-19-2016, 11:26 AM
 
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My take is to apply that idea to individuals. I'd put any human trying to rule over another in the same category as a foreign entity trying to take over, regardless of borders.

I do agree with the general idea that centralizing power is 100% the wrong way to go, and completely inhuman. I just take that to its logical conclusion and ask why we need to stop at countries or states.
 
Old 06-19-2016, 11:27 AM
 
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Yes, we would lose everything that we are, what our ancestors came here to accomplish and what many fought and died for.

I just became familiar with this within the last 12 months when researching which candidate to vote for. I have voted for candidates from different parties over my many years of voting.

Globalism: Globalism - Conservapedia

The globalist agenda: The Globalist Agenda

A globalist elite vs. the people

It is VERY scary and all one has to do is put a little thought into it and let commonsense prevail.

To see everything we are flushed down the toilet in the name of the elite just makes me
 
Old 06-19-2016, 11:29 AM
 
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Yes, we would lose everything that we are, what our ancestors came here to accomplish and what many fought and died for.

I just became familiar with this within the last 12 months when researching which candidate to vote for. I have voted for candidates from different parties over my many years of voting.

Globalism: Globalism - Conservapedia

The globalist agenda: The Globalist Agenda

A globalist elite vs. the people

It is VERY scary and all one has to do is put a little thought into it and let commonsense prevail.

To see everything we are flushed down the toilet in the name of the elite just makes me
Unfortunately, too many people won't take the time to rally investigate issues and are already entrenched in their positions or party affiliation without really knowing much about either...
 
Old 06-19-2016, 11:32 AM
 
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There is an amount of nationalism that is good. But too much of it leads to fascism or communism or some other authoritarian system. At least, that's how it's always gone. I mean, look at America. During the Cold War, we were number 1 and it was during that time when the government got more invasive and expansive.

Too much of anything is bad.
 
Old 06-19-2016, 12:13 PM
 
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See? Putin, Kim Jong, and Xi Jinping are just good guys fighting globalization.
 
Old 06-19-2016, 12:29 PM
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There is an amount of nationalism that is good. But too much of it leads to fascism or communism or some other authoritarian system. At least, that's how it's always gone. I mean, look at America. During the Cold War, we were number 1 and it was during that time when the government got more invasive and expansive.

Too much of anything is bad.
That's the lie that insisted, after Nuremberg, that a "National" (as in NPR, as in NARAL, as in NOW) Socialist Workers Party was right wing, and later--by its same discredited, and embarrassed, adherents--that Obama is right wing. Same playbook, chapter and verse.

The lie that says "National" translates as so-called "Nationalist" and that nationalism is bad.

The object of chastened leftists who start Communist and communist-light movements only for the public to see the dark underbellies of them later on, is to turn and boldly pin the blame on their diametric opposites, liberty-minded individualists, who had nothing to do with them.

One of their tactics is to call liberty and sovereignty "fascism." When the opposite is true: fascism's most notorious practitioner edited Italy's premier Socialist newspaper Avanti! ("Forward!).


Then remember that Avanti!'s Socialist Mussolini, and the Socialist Workers Party's Hitler, wanted to rule the world, i.e., globalism.

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Old 06-19-2016, 12:38 PM
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See? Putin, Kim Jong, and Xi Jinping are just good guys fighting globalization.
1. Communists like the Kims have always seen world communist government as the final solution.

2. The enemy of your enemy isn't necessarily your friend.
 
Old 06-19-2016, 12:38 PM
 
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That's the lie that insisted, after Nuremberg, that a National (as in NPR, as in NARAL, as in NOW) Socialist Workers Party was right wing, and later--by its same discredited, and embarrassed, adherents--that Obama is right wing.

The lie that says "National" means "Nationalist" and that nationalist is bad.

The object of chastened leftists who start Communist and communist-light movements only for the public to see the dark underbellies of them later on, is to turn and boldly pin the blame on their diametric opposites, liberty-minded individualists, who had nothing to do with them.

One of their tactics is to call liberty and sovereignty "fascism." When the opposite is true: fascism's most notorious practitioner edited Italy's premier Socialist newspaper Avanti! ("Forward!).


Then remember that Avanti!'s Socialist Mussolini, and the Socialist Workers Party's Hitler, wanted to rule the world, i.e., globalism.
????

What does left and right wing have to do with this? I certainly didn't say anything about it.

God, you people are just obsessive with this crap.

Hitler could be seen as a globalist, sure. But he also believed the world should be run like Germany, which is pretty nationalist of him.

This is my problem with this sort of black and white thinking. Nationalism and globalism aren't directly opposite of each other. Is it really so inconceivable that someone could be both? Is it really so crazy to think some globalism is good? Or that too much of it is bad?

But whatever, live in a black and white lie if you're happier there.
 
Old 06-19-2016, 12:43 PM
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Hitler could be seen as a globalist, sure. But he also believed the world should be run like Germany, which is pretty nationalist of him.
By definition that means he's erased the socioeconomic and sociopolitical administrative borders of others. That's globalism, not nationalism.

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This is my problem with this sort of black and white thinking. Nationalism and globalism aren't directly opposite of each other.
Yes, they are.

Unless you want to the turn around at the end and announce you've created the 'Nation of the World.'
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