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View Poll Results: Will the House Democrats call a vote to officially impeach President Trump based on what we have see
Yes 86 68.25%
No 40 31.75%
Voters: 126. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 11-23-2019, 08:48 AM
 
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Correct. You refuse to see the truth even though it is smacking you in the face. This has nothing to do with party. None of those witnesses were partisan. They worked both Republican and Democrat administrations. Gordon Sondland was appointed by Trump even! Trump has taken more vacations than any president in history using our tax dollars, declared a national emergency for his wall even though Congress refused to fund it leaving hardworking Americans without a paycheck for 6 weeks, gets on Twitter every day insulting people who never said a single unkind word about him, lies continuously about anything and everything, cheated on his wife with porn stars and paid them off (known as prostitution,) and takes half the workweek off flying all over the country holding rallies in honor of himself.

And all these idiots he's appointed to high level positions are either woefully unqualified, in prison, or on their way to prison. How do you support him? At least support another other Republican candidate. Or Bernie Sanders, who is an independent candidate. It isn't an either/or. If you're going to say, "But our economy is so great!" Trump did not cause our great economy! With rare exception, presidents do not affect the economy. Employers hire, not the president. And let's not forget the Fed had to lower rates twice so the economy is softening. And this trade war? The trade war has sent our farmers into bankruptcy and INCREASED the prices of products for Americans. So make no mistake; this is what you're supporting. But he's a Republican! Congratulations! If Trump represents the pinnacle of the Republican party and you support THAT, I am proud that I don't and I reject such a horrible person. I am shocked so many Americans think such a man is worthy of respect.
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Feel better?

How is it any of your concern who other Americans support or vote for?

Your so called truth will be smacked down at the polls like the lies it is comprised of.
My so called truth is the truth. No Trump supporters have been able to correct a single word I have said. Because what I've said is completely true. You can't justify why you support such a man. Because there is no justification. And yes, I am concerned about who other people vote for, although I can't control that of course. I am extremely concerned about why 41% of Americans think this person is a nice guy. None of these 41%, including yourself, can actually explain why. That's because I like America. I genuinely like my fellow Americans. I wonder what has become of this country that you actually think this person is good for us. I'm not suggesting anyone of the other candidates are perfect. I'm not that excited about ANY of them really. I'm just worried about why so many people think Trump can do no wrong.

 
Old 11-23-2019, 08:52 AM
 
Location: East Coast of the United States
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Judge Andrew Napolitano, longtime Fox News contributor, says Democrats have presented enough evidence to warrant "three of four articles of impeachment" against president Donald Trump.


https://twitter.com/oliverdarcy/stat...52712013025285
Napolitano drew this conclusion after hearing Sondland’s morning testimony, which was admittedly damaging to Trump. This is a good point.

I wonder if Napolitano changed his position later on like Ken Starr did.
 
Old 11-23-2019, 09:06 AM
 
Location: alexandria, VA
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Originally Posted by Scooby Snacks View Post
My so called truth is the truth. No Trump supporters have been able to correct a single word I have said. Because what I've said is completely true. You can't justify why you support such a man. Because there is no justification. And yes, I am concerned about who other people vote for, although I can't control that of course. I am extremely concerned about why 41% of Americans think this person is a nice guy. None of these 41%, including yourself, can actually explain why. That's because I like America. I genuinely like my fellow Americans. I wonder what has become of this country that you actually think this person is good for us. I'm not suggesting anyone of the other candidates are perfect. I'm not that excited about ANY of them really. I'm just worried about why so many people think Trump can do no wrong.
Because Trump was put on Earth by the Almighty himself to be president and run the country according to "Christian values".
 
Old 11-23-2019, 09:13 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Scooby Snacks View Post
My so called truth is the truth. No Trump supporters have been able to correct a single word I have said. Because what I've said is completely true. You can't justify why you support such a man. Because there is no justification. And yes, I am concerned about who other people vote for, although I can't control that of course. I am extremely concerned about why 41% of Americans think this person is a nice guy. None of these 41%, including yourself, can actually explain why. That's because I like America. I genuinely like my fellow Americans. I wonder what has become of this country that you actually think this person is good for us. I'm not suggesting anyone of the other candidates are perfect. I'm not that excited about ANY of them really. I'm just worried about why so many people think Trump can do no wrong.
Your "truth" is just your opinion lol. The only thing that underlies it from what I can see is pure arrogance.

I don't need to justify my support of anyone to you. Why would I waste my time? You are clearly uninterested in any discussion.

All you are looking for is a platform to proclaim how you have cornered the market on the truth.

There is no one true way. If you want to live that way why don't you go to North Korea?

Carry on.
 
Old 11-23-2019, 09:55 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Napolitano drew this conclusion after hearing Sondland’s morning testimony, which was admittedly damaging to Trump. This is a good point.

I wonder if Napolitano changed his position later on like Ken Starr did.
Nope....it doesn't appear so

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/4...ur-articles-of


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Fox News senior judicial analyst Judge Andrew Napolitano said in an interview with Reason.com published Friday, he believes there could be 'three to four articles of impeachment" against President Trump, including bribery, high crimes and misdemeanors and obstruction of justice.

“The Democrats on the House Intelligence Committee have unearthed enough evidence, in my opinion, to justify about three or four articles of impeachment against the president," Napolitano told Reason.com's Nick Gillespie.

"One is bribery. The allegation is the technical definition of bribery is the failure to perform an official duty until a thing of value comes your way," continued Napolitano. "And they will argue that the president’s failure to disperse funds that the Congress ordered, they dispersed until the recipient of the funds agreed to investigate a potential political opponent is an act of bribery. That is enough, in my opinion, to make it over the threshold of impeachable offenses. I don’t think it’s enough to convict of bribery, but it’s enough to allege it for the purpose of impeachment.
 
Old 11-23-2019, 10:07 AM
 
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Facts and support for Trump aside, there is an unusual level of chaos that appears to go on in Trump's White House that impacts policy. This mess is but an example.

Referencing the last couple of days of testimony and Trump responses to that testimony:
Trump (Fox interview video): "I've had a couple of conversations, I've seen him [Sondland] hanging around, you know, when I go to Europe ... but he was really a European Union ambassador, and all of a sudden, he is working on this [Ukraine], you know, ask about that," he said.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/22/u...interview.html

Trump's supposed to be the boss. Fiona Hill testified that Sondland announced to her Trump had named him Administration point man on Ukraine bypassing the NSC. This led to confusion that then resulted in discord. It was Sondland who was having the meetings on Ukraine with Pompeo and Mulvaney.

Who did Trump ultimately put in charge, at least for what Sondland said he cared about when it came to Ukraine - Giuliani. Trump in the Fox interview was asked and defended why Giuliani was his go-to man: He was a good prosecutor etc.

This without Giuliani having been confirmed by the Senate (as an ambassador), without any subject expertise (like State and NSC staffers), outside of any administrative process or review (as a taxpayer paid employee). And it is Giuliani who now with Trump's blessing refuses to appear before Congress to testify about his actions.

So - no oversight before - no oversight during - and no oversight after. That was Trump's Ukraine policy. That is a problem.

How often does this occur, with it being revealed here only because of the whistleblower?
 
Old 11-23-2019, 10:53 AM
 
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They won't call a vote because they don't want the Senate to call Schiff or the 'whistleblower'.
 
Old 11-23-2019, 11:04 AM
 
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This isn't good for Mike....


https://twitter.com/politico/status/1198116819053223936
 
Old 11-23-2019, 11:06 AM
 
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This should probably be its own new thread.

Bombshell.


https://twitter.com/mike_marotto/sta...00410353770500
 
Old 11-23-2019, 11:09 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Grlzrl View Post
They won't call a vote because they don't want the Senate to call Schiff or the 'whistleblower'.
As excited as the Democrats may be in the House, surely there are a number of Senate Democrats that are warning them that this will all go a very different way if a trial is undertaken in the Senate. And with the Republicans in control of the Senate, and therefore any impeachment trial process, the Democrats will not be able to control what goes on there the way that they have in the House.

One other alternative that I would not be surprised to see is Pelosi allowing the vote in the House, but not whipping votes of vulnerable Democrats, resulting in the vote failing to pass. That would allow all of the TDS afflicted hardcore leftists to vote for impeaching Trump, satisfying their constituents, and likewise allowing those in moderate districts to vote against it, also satisfying their constituents.

Since Trump is not going to be removed from office anyway, Pelosi may choose to take the practical path of least resistance here. And this would be it.
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